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2 Tilts Dont Make A Right - Sun Jul 24, 2011, 11:03 AM
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There was a lot of bad play and bluffing prior to this hand and Id already took $60 off him so in essence I was gambling with his money here and I just had a hunch he was bluffing again and after he checked I was certain I had him which is why I went all-in. Normally I would fold after the flop but I was hoping to bluff the river regardless of the King hitting it.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2011, 11:53 AM
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reads are alot.

The float on the flop... don't have a real problem with that. The preflop raises were a TON on the large side, in my eyes. You raised to 10BB, then they raised you to 40BB..... way too much for only K high IMO.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
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Yeah I don't no why there not shown here but the blinds were .25/50 with a .5c ante. So I only min raised to start with and he re-raises it 8 BB which is what he was doing in 40% of the hands then when hands were shown he was holding nothing special. I was sat at the table with him for around 45 mins and in this time he lost $195 so I don't no if he plays super loose all the time, or I just arrived at the right time and caught him on tilt. He was very quick to reload after losing the all-ins which tells me he was probably on tilt. thanks for your view JWK24 and good luck on the felts.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2011, 01:32 PM
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There was a lot of bad play and bluffing prior to this hand and Id already took $60 off him so in essence I was gambling with his money here and I just had a hunch he was bluffing again and after he checked I was certain I had him which is why I went all-in. Normally I would fold after the flop but I was hoping to bluff the river regardless of the King hitting it.
The Villain is leading every street.
By the turn bet he has just 1 pot size bet left in his stack.
You state you called in order to "bluff the river", but how were you going to do it?
A lead bet?
If so, at best you are laying him about 2 to 1. Since he was pretty aggro all the way thru to the river, do you REALLY think K high is going to be best here a good amount of the time?
That means you've "locked" yourself into hitting one of your cards by your decisions.

A check/raise?
Even LESS likely to get a better hand to fold the an lead bet on the river. If you check and he bets, then how much is he going to have left, maybe $20? You think he is folding that amount very often in what would be a pot around $80? At least checking the river though DOES open the chance the villain may check "air" behind you (if that's what he has)...

Overall, I really gotta say I do not think you played this very well at all. The thought that , "I was only gambling on his money" is pretty wrong; once you have won it, it is YOUR MONEY. The way you beat weak players is to play pretty ABC poker, and not rely on "tricky" or "advanced" plays. Playing as you did here would really take a very SPECIFIC opponent, and very tight reads on that opponent. Sticking around on pretty "crap" hands like K hi is only going to be a "good idea" if you are in such a CLOSE match of skill with your opponent you need to eke out the tiniest of edges. Versus a guy who is spewing money as you claim this one is, you really do not NEED to take such close edge situations, especially for large $, he WILL give you better chances soon enough.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2011, 07:49 PM
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I was playing some cash games lately because of the milestone hands promotion, and the bluffing and aggro were so over the top - and this was (for me) just at the 2cent/5cent tables!!

Yesterday I flopped a straight on a dry board and got check-raised all-in by somebody who flopped a pair of J's with a 3 kicker. And they sucked out a flush and took me for $8.

I'm having a hard time making 'sense' of how to play profitably in this environment ... I think I'm going to buckle down and watch all the videos in the training library before I give it another go. But based on what I was seeing at the cash tables yesterday, I can totally understand how K high with a J kicker could easily be the best hand by the river, even if the K hadn't hit. Nice job maxing your money intake there Hitman!!! $$!!!

 
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Mon Jul 25, 2011, 05:44 AM
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pretty sick spot for thin value :P nice nice........

I guess due to stack to pot ratio betting the river for value and shoving is really the same thing......its not like your going to fold if you value bet the river and he jams right?

nice hand floating with KJ, curious though what was your perceived range of villain once he checked the river?
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2011, 06:02 AM
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Id already took $60 off him so in essence I was gambling with his money here
Very entertaining hand, a nice change from the standard abc posts. Quite a thin value check - worked well. The only thing I did not like was the line I quoted. If it's in your stack, it is YOUR money :P

Nice pot, good job
 

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