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AK fold - Tue Jul 26, 2011, 02:26 PM
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would u do the same!!! i read them a loose players with no clue but they both see my raise in a instant so i feared AJ on at least 1 of them

PokerStarsspel #65105473640: Toernooi #411630578, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 26/07/2011 20:22:17 CET [26/07/2011 14:22:17 ET]
Tafel '411630578 292' 9-max Plaats #3 is de button
Plaats 1: Widzywidzy^^ (5556 in chips)
Plaats 2: 77wopke77 (4910 in chips)
Plaats 3: DREAMCOAT (1400 in chips)
Plaats 4: pumamontana (7195 in chips)
Plaats 5: Robi0519 (4118 in chips)
Plaats 6: QqruzCAR (21265 in chips)
Plaats 7: krajnc1991 (10876 in chips)
Plaats 9: MichaAceHigh (24239 in chips)
Widzywidzy^^: zet de ante 25
77wopke77: zet de ante 25
DREAMCOAT: zet de ante 25
pumamontana: zet de ante 25
Robi0519: zet de ante 25
QqruzCAR: zet de ante 25
krajnc1991: zet de ante 25
MichaAceHigh: zet de ante 25
pumamontana: zet small blind 150
Robi0519: zet big blind 300
*** GESLOTEN KAARTEN ***
Gedeeld aan 77wopke77 [Kh As]
QqruzCAR: foldt
krajnc1991: callt 300
mihami85 heeft verbinding
MichaAceHigh: foldt
Widzywidzy^^: foldt
77wopke77: raiset 600 naar 900
DREAMCOAT: foldt
pumamontana: callt 750
Robi0519: callt 600
krajnc1991: foldt
*** FLOP *** [Qh Jc Ah]
pumamontana: bet 6270 en is all-in
Robi0519: callt 3193 en is all-in
77wopke77: foldt
De niet-gecallde bet (3077) is geretourneerd aan pumamontana
*** TURN *** [Qh Jc Ah] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Jc Ah 4s] [6h]
*** SHOWDOWN ***
pumamontana: toont [2d Ad] (een pair Azen)
Robi0519: toont [Qd 3d] (een pair Vrouwen)
pumamontana won 9586 van pot
*** SAMENVATTING ***
Totale pot 9586 | Rake 0
Board [Qh Jc Ah 4s 6h]
Plaats 1: Widzywidzy^^ foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)
Plaats 2: 77wopke77 foldde op de Flop
Plaats 3: DREAMCOAT (button) foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)
Plaats 4: pumamontana (small blind) toonde [2d Ad] en won (9586) met een pair Azen
Plaats 5: Robi0519 (big blind) toonde [Qd 3d] en verloor met een pair Vrouwen
Plaats 6: QqruzCAR foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)
Plaats 7: krajnc1991 foldde voor de Flop
Plaats 9: MichaAceHigh foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 02:31 PM
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Why are you folding top pair, top kicker with the nut straight draw? I am calling that hand all day everyday
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 02:57 PM
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1 answer: PSO points
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 02:57 PM
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any other tour i calles without thinking
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:13 PM
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pso or not that is a horribly played hand
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:16 PM
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that's tough to fold. If they were playing tight, then you could easily put them on AQ, AJ, K 10 or the flush draw.
Since you said they were playing loose.... I don't think I could lay that one down, with top pair/kicker, str8 draw and backdoor nut-flush draw.
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:19 PM
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I don't like the fold at all, you've got 16 bb's to start the hand, raising 3 of them and folding top/top + gs is yuck.
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:20 PM
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IF YOUR NOT GOING TO CALL TOP PAIR, TOP KICKER THEN YOU NEED TO FOLD PREFLOP




 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:22 PM
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There was a shove and a call in front of the hero, who holds only a one-pair hand. On deeper stacks (maybe 30+) I'm actually snap-folding this. Given the stack sizes, I think it's probably a thin call. That's without the assumption that the villains don't have a clue, though.

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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:29 PM
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in what range do i put them if they shove almost everythinh above 98
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:31 PM
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in what range do i put them if they shove almost everythinh above 98
98+
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:33 PM
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virtually anything, except big pairs.. you with that hand are so far ahead of their range, and you hit the flop HARD.... I say except big pairs because they are so rare and they are shoving everything, making the chances they have them slim to none
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PanickyPoker View Post
There was a shove and a call in front of the hero, who holds only a one-pair hand. On deeper stacks (maybe 30+) I'm actually snap-folding this. Given the stack sizes, I think it's probably a thin call. That's without the assumption that the villains don't have a clue, though.
Yes, but we're not on deeper stacks. We're on a 16 bb stack to start the hand, vs. villains described as "loose with no clue". This is not a thin call imo.
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:39 PM
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LOL, I just noticed what the villains actually held. Clearly "loose and no clue" was a good read.
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:44 PM
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LOL, I just noticed what the villains actually held. Clearly "loose and no clue" was a good read.
at least had someting right here
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:45 PM
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was about the bad experiences before in the PSO in think!! am around place 200 now in the same tour so at least i made serious points lol
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:47 PM
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Yes, but we're not on deeper stacks. We're on a 16 bb stack to start the hand, vs. villains described as "loose with no clue". This is not a thin call imo.
Obviously I'm approaching this from the wrong perspective. I was just pointing out that under most circumstances, TPTK + GSSD is not hitting the flop hard, and is a pretty bad Hold'em hand facing considerable action.
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:53 PM
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Wopke, a couple quick points:

1) Why raise/fold so short?

If you are ladder climbing for points, why not limp, or even fold pre, if you think the villains at your table are so wild that you will find yourself in a 1 pair hand/playing for your life situation? With 4k, you really have a LOT of "time" to ladder climb in your stack. Now I am NOT saying limping or folding pre is "winning" poker, but it CAN be "ladder climbing" poker.

2) When you do raise to enter, what do you EXPECT?

You got about as good as you could hope for really, top/top. You even had a gut shot nut straight draw in case someone had hit 2 pair. That straight draw means you are going to have "outs" versus a lot of the hands that are ahead of you, so what are you waiting for? If you are "wrong" in calling, and ARE behind, at least you have a chance to catch up.

So...

I think you gotta REALLY decide before hand what you are going to be doing: ladder climbing, or playing for chip accumulation.

If you are playing to ladder climb, then dump an un-paired hand pre-flop versus villains who will lagtard jam any pair or any draw. Wait to play the nuts, or 2nd nuts pre-flop.

If you want to simply "play tight", and pick up chips with a strong hand range versus weak opponents, then this is about as good as you are likely to get. Make the call, and rely on your reads and the math to make your stand "correct".

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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PanickyPoker View Post
Obviously I'm approaching this from the wrong perspective. I was just pointing out that under most circumstances, TPTK + GSSD is not hitting the flop hard, and is a pretty bad Hold'em hand facing considerable action.
I agree PP, this is NOT a "big hit" on deep money, and if you get jammed into, it is an insta-muck. I do not think Dave was calling you out for "faulty thinking", I got the impression he was simply making sure that we remained "on point" with the fact that THIS HAND was a 16BB start, and not deep money. And also that on 16BB to raise/start, a tptk/GSSD is a "big hit", and a clear stand.
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2011, 03:58 PM
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next time i've to think a little longer lol!! tnx again for all the advice

just am tired of etting sucked out over and over in the PSO
 

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