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Bet sizing leaks - Thu Jul 28, 2011, 02:00 AM
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I have come across some real obvious hands that I think show how bad players tell you exactly what they have or dont have.
Will post both hands and then explain why it is so easy to pick off what they have.


PokerStars Game #65175093434: Tournament #411630502, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/07/27 22:15:35 PT [2011/07/28 1:15:35 ET]
Table '411630502 136' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: sm3ntu (1365 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: IseeCookies (3830 in chips)
Seat 3: stephane214 (315 in chips)
Seat 4: DieHand70 (2135 in chips)
Seat 5: Chutoman (3740 in chips)
Seat 6: Javor69 (3135 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: crg2112 (2710 in chips)
Seat 8: )I(yJIuK UA (2090 in chips)
Seat 9: evolklute (1875 in chips)
DieHand70: posts small blind 15
Chutoman: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IseeCookies [Kh Qd]
Javor69: folds
crg2112: folds
)I(yJIuK UA: calls 30
evolklute: folds
sm3ntu: folds
IseeCookies: calls 30
stephane214: folds
DieHand70: calls 15
Chutoman: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jh 4d Kc]
DieHand70: checks
Chutoman: bets 240
)I(yJIuK UA: folds
IseeCookies: calls 240
DieHand70: folds
*** TURN *** [Jh 4d Kc] [Ac]
Chutoman: bets 150
IseeCookies: calls 150
*** RIVER *** [Jh 4d Kc Ac] [7h]
Chutoman: bets 210
IseeCookies: calls 210
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chutoman: shows [9d Kd] (a pair of Kings)
IseeCookies: shows [Kh Qd] (a pair of Kings - Ace+Queen kicker)
IseeCookies collected 1320 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1320 | Rake 0
Board [Jh 4d Kc Ac 7h]
Seat 1: sm3ntu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: IseeCookies showed [Kh Qd] and won (1320) with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: stephane214 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DieHand70 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Chutoman (big blind) showed [9d Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: Javor69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: crg2112 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: )I(yJIuK UA folded on the Flop
Seat 9: evolklute folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Preflop is my standard limp which I do a lot of in this league.
Flop is interesting and I knocked AK and JJ out of his range because he would have shoved it preflop.
So we are left with KJ,K4,J4 and trips beating us.Knowing that people like to slowplay trips I discount 44 and KK is less likely due to me holding a King and no preflop raise.Mind you bad players love to limp strong pairs and play them stubbornly post flop.
So I call because I dont see him having KJ here and thats all I could put him on that would cause me trouble.
Turn is where he tells me he has,his bet is weaker than the flop bet.
Now if he was a skilled player I wouldnt read as much into it but this is not a skilled player.
He is afraid of the ace and thinks he is pot controlling against me,I play along because he may change his thinking on the river.
River he bets in the middle between his flop bet and his turn bet and its weak. I called because I was busy chatting and didnt want to discourage him from playing that way future hands.

Quite often newer players dont think about how their plays may look to the opponent.
They are still on lvl one thinking.

PokerStars Game #65175425970: Tournament #411630502, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2011/07/27 22:36:54 PT [2011/07/28 1:36:54 ET]
Table '411630502 187' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Alexx717 (1090 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: Harrius (1145 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: IseeCookies (2920 in chips)
Seat 4: Junotooth (1105 in chips)
Seat 5: 66canon (3500 in chips)
Seat 6: heinz1362 (3315 in chips)
Seat 7: richis007 (2425 in chips)
Seat 8: lev1956 (4790 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: foxie 1000 (4135 in chips)
IseeCookies: posts small blind 50
Junotooth: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IseeCookies [Tc Qd]
66canon: folds
heinz1362: folds
richis007: calls 100
lev1956: folds
foxie 1000: calls 100
Alexx717: folds
Harrius: folds
IseeCookies: calls 50
Junotooth: checks
*** FLOP *** [7d Td Ad]
IseeCookies: checks
Junotooth: checks
richis007: checks
foxie 1000: checks
*** TURN *** [7d Td Ad] [5s]
IseeCookies: checks
Junotooth: checks
richis007: checks
foxie 1000: checks
*** RIVER *** [7d Td Ad 5s] [Qc]
IseeCookies: checks
Junotooth: checks
richis007: checks
foxie 1000: bets 100
IseeCookies: calls 100
Junotooth: folds
richis007: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
foxie 1000: shows [Ts Ks] (a pair of Tens)
IseeCookies: shows [Tc Qd] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
IseeCookies collected 600 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600 | Rake 0
Board [7d Td Ad 5s Qc]
Seat 1: Alexx717 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Harrius (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: IseeCookies (small blind) showed [Tc Qd] and won (600) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 4: Junotooth (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: 66canon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: heinz1362 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: richis007 folded on the River
Seat 8: lev1956 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: foxie 1000 showed [Ts Ks] and lost with a pair of Tens

For this hand its pretty basic,the flop and turn where checked on a flush draw board meaning the player didnt have a ace to protect on the flop or he would have raised.Turn comes and any one with a ace is going to fire a small bet to entice a nibble.So when the river comes I dont mind checking and villian stabs at the pot and I call because he is rarely showing up with anything that could beat 2 pair based on the story of the hand.

I should mention that I play almost backward to how you should play poker in the pso.
I limp,I go to showdown often and I let myself get below a m of 10,which is never happening in a regular mtt.

Just some food for thought..feel free to destroy or ask questions.
 
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Thu Jul 28, 2011, 03:05 PM
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I agree totally with your thoughts there I know when I first started playing I only played my cards, K7 was the nuts and I had not a clue about all the tells I was giving away.. It wasnt until January of this year that I even for a little bit got any kind of clue, and became more serious about the game..I started working on bet sizing, paying uber attention to my opps, and picked up on these tells, and tried like hell to stop leaking them in my game
good post Cookies
 
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Thu Jul 28, 2011, 03:20 PM
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Good post cookies, spot on.

Hand 1 is a very standard bet sizing tell from weak players, cookies is spot on. tbh I might have made a thin value raise to between 500-600 on the river, he's paying us with his Kx. In a league game probably better to just call, but the read is so solid vs. a weak player.

Hand 2 I would have value bet 2 pair, you'll get some really loose calls but most players won't bet themselves without a Q or T at least. They'll check down small pairs but pay off what they perceive as a cheap steal with them.
 
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Thu Jul 28, 2011, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLangolier View Post
Good post cookies, spot on.

Hand 2 I would have value bet 2 pair, you'll get some really loose calls but most players won't bet themselves without a Q or T at least. They'll check down small pairs but pay off what they perceive as a cheap steal with them.
That's the first thing I thought of too. Value raise on the river.
 

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