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Hw can they outdraw me EVERY hand??? - Thu Aug 04, 2011, 08:17 PM
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No sooner was I explaing to a friend about my consistant 99% suckout ratio I get pushed holding a 99 by a 33 on a 7 high flop just for a 3 to pop up on the turn.

No word of a lie, for the last 4 days I have been losing almost ( and I really mean ALMOST) every hand Im in with. 90% of the time Im in with the best hand and lose 99% of the time. My bankroll is almost gone and my premier league status doesnt look like its going to keep me in it.

Every game I play not only the PSO, is the same thing for 4 days now. Ok, Variance, variance variance but how can a KK vs AA pull a KAK int the flop so much? I have seen so many quads the last few days its sickening. In one tourny I saw 3 in about 10 hands on the same table.

I have watched the lower end of a PP war catch sets consistantly is ridiculous.

Sorry but this is the worst I have ever seen regarding shuffling miracles.

Almost everytime my opponent has 2 outs they catch. I have seen so many where they have 3 outs and catch 2 of em for example I have KK and my opponent has A? and 2 aces flop up.

I really hope this starts to change soon. Im getting extremely frustrated. There was enough suckouts and badbeats before this I had to deal with but this is insane.
 
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Mon Aug 08, 2011, 04:33 PM
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hang in there man...pokerstars has a way of shifting luck back to ur side after u've lost as many hands as u have. i remember the "2 out of 3 rule" too...guy needs to hit a gutshot on the flop, turn and river both bring it it happens so much that u start to laugh it off...it's almost like the software is saying "just in case u missed the turn, here's the river with the same result"
 
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Mon Aug 08, 2011, 05:51 PM
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it's almost like the software is saying "just in case u missed the turn, here's the river with the same result"
That was funny
 
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Mon Aug 08, 2011, 07:27 PM
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Whats even worse is the ring games.

Im just playing tight and aggressive when I catch but it has no effect on these dumbasses who call and shove with any 2 cards and catch their miracle evrytime. Im not joking, EVERYTIME!!!

All Im trying to do is get my VPP's, not win a crap load of money and it never fails, Ill flop a flush with K in my hand and some joker shoves me all in with A2os and what am I suposed to do? Fold? I know I should just because I know hes going to suckout and as soon as the card turn over I see his ace and know without a doubt the next suit is coming. Today alone I lost almost $20 on the micro tables holding the best hand every single time going in and these jackasses just keep pushing and pushing and getting the luckiest cards. Seriously, in one case it was a 1 outer and there it is on the river. All the other times shoving with K2os 96 suited, Q8os, most of the time preflop or they are calling my preflop raise with this junk and without fail I catch my cards but the turn and river turn it right over to them.

I know you said pokerstars has a way of turning it back to you but Ive been waiting years for this to happen. I really hate playing anything other than the PSO Premier on this site. I have ZERO luck on any other game.

Ive been playing poker since I was about 9 years old and Im 41 now. Ive been playing holdem for 11 years solid and not one shred of experience or skill leads me to the money on this site.

Right now as it stands im in position to win $20 on the premier league but unfortunately Ive lost that trying to earn my VPP's for next month.

Its just so unbelievably riduculous how many solid great hands I have lost back to back over and over with flawless consistancy.

Im seriously debating bothering with any of this next month now.

Thanks for the encouragment, I do appreciate it but I honestly cannot see anything changing for me here.

Cheers.
 
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Mon Aug 08, 2011, 07:44 PM
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LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU PLAY AGAIN
I WANT TO WATCH



 
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Tue Aug 09, 2011, 05:37 AM
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LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU PLAY AGAIN
I WANT TO WATCH



Dam, I just played and got suckered on in so many games. Then I came here and saw this. I wish I saw this first. Ill let you know as soon as Im playing again.

This session I was playing tight as hell only playing AQ or better and knocked out of 3 tournies by A2os, Q7os and JKos. I had AK when beat by Q7os. Flop was 2KQ opponent raised to me I reraised he shoved. river went Q9.

I had QQ opponent had A2os. I raise 7 times the BB preflop. He calls. Flop comes 8 2 10. Opponent shoves I call and turn is an ace.

I had 1010 opponent had KJos. I raise preflop 4 times BB. Opponent reraises to 8 time the BB. I call. Flop comes 4 6 10. opponent bets pot, I reraise all in. opponent calls turn and river 9Q.

This is the consistent lack of luck I have on this site. I can fold. i know how to let big hands go but Im always being knocked out when Im way ahead and the dumbest crap happens immediately following my shove or call to a shove.

My premier points have dropped conciderably today as well. All it takes is one kamakazi player on the table to ruin the game. I watch these guys repeatedly suckout out on everyone and sit there all nice and pretty in the top 5 of the tourny and take in the points every tourny. I dont know how they do it. I have friends that play that way when we have live tournies or cash games or I see others like that at the casino but they dont get payed off 1/10 of the time they d on here.

Its just too bloody consistent to just take it as a fluke. Most of my friends who used to play online quit after playing more live games. I keep giving it the benefit of the doubt but Thats wearing extremely thin right now. I have constantly overlooked my own game, done everything I can to improve but theres nothing I can do to avoid these kind of losses. absolutely nothing. If this is just a downswing its the longest one in history and I should have my own show on A&E for the most unlucky online player alive. lol

Ill post when I go on the tables next, or a tourny.

cheers.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2011, 06:31 AM
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A lot of bad beats have been happening to me recently. I got sucked out by opponents with 5% chances of winning the hand. I am starting to feel that PS is trying to make some money off of this new promotion with ranks and VPP's while a lot of players are playing. It's not just me, at allot of tables players are getting sucked out. I really don't know what to think of this.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2011, 07:10 PM
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A lot of bad beats have been happening to me recently. I got sucked out by opponents with 5% chances of winning the hand. I am starting to feel that PS is trying to make some money off of this new promotion with ranks and VPP's while a lot of players are playing. It's not just me, at allot of tables players are getting sucked out. I really don't know what to think of this.

I here ya,

I was just in the Premier qualifier. I have AJs my opponent has 77. I raise preflop opponent calls. Flop comes AKJ. Opponent shoves, I call he rivers the 7.

The buyin period hadnt even ended yet and Im out with a flopped 2 pr to a rivered 2 outer.

I dont get it either bro. Im getting really sick of it.

Cheers.
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 03:22 AM
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These days the only hands I win are those when my opponents fold. If they call even with a worse hand they draw on the turn or river. Yesterday I played 66 hands(couldn't play more because of the frustration). Out of those 10 reached the river, 8 of the 10 were bad beats to me or to someone else at my table. Today the same pattern seems to be happening. I thought that if the chances of something like this happening are 5% then they should happen 5% of the time, not all the time. It all started going downhill after I almost doubled my initial bankroll but this month things seem to be getting absurd.
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 03:31 AM
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Just as I was writing the previous post. My pocket kings were defeated. But check out how: I flopped a king set. And was defeated by an AQ. How you ask? The other guy received a flush. But he didn't have 2 spade cards in his hand. He had the Ace of spade and an Q of another suit. So why wouldn't pokerstars give him 4 spades to beat my 3 kings. And why wouldn't that player call my bets with nothing? Oh and btw pokerstars wanted to be sure I lost my money so one of my kings was a spade.

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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 05:17 AM
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No sooner was I explaing to a friend about my consistant 99% suckout ratio I get pushed holding a 99 by a 33 on a 7 high flop just for a 3 to pop up on the turn.

No word of a lie, for the last 4 days I have been losing almost ( and I really mean ALMOST) every hand Im in with. 90% of the time Im in with the best hand and lose 99% of the time. My bankroll is almost gone and my premier league status doesnt look like its going to keep me in it.

Every game I play not only the PSO, is the same thing for 4 days now. Ok, Variance, variance variance but how can a KK vs AA pull a KAK int the flop so much? I have seen so many quads the last few days its sickening. In one tourny I saw 3 in about 10 hands on the same table.

I have watched the lower end of a PP war catch sets consistantly is ridiculous.

Sorry but this is the worst I have ever seen regarding shuffling miracles.

Almost everytime my opponent has 2 outs they catch. I have seen so many where they have 3 outs and catch 2 of em for example I have KK and my opponent has A? and 2 aces flop up.

I really hope this starts to change soon. Im getting extremely frustrated. There was enough suckouts and badbeats before this I had to deal with but this is insane.
in the sunday 2amest pl tourney you riverd a flush against my set its part off the game and it happens its called varience it happens to everyone you cant win them all
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 02:37 PM
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Just as I was writing the previous post. My pocket kings were defeated. But check out how: I flopped a king set. And was defeated by an AQ. How you ask? The other guy received a flush. But he didn't have 2 spade cards in his hand. He had the Ace of spade and an Q of another suit. So why wouldn't pokerstars give him 4 spades to beat my 3 kings. And why wouldn't that player call my bets with nothing? Oh and btw pokerstars wanted to be sure I lost my money so one of my kings was a spade.


Heres my loss with KK to JJ on the river as usual not even 6 minutes ago.

signsix: raises 1110 to 1410 and is all-in
Stella796: folds
nato933: folds
cebollauru: folds
Tats17: calls 1110
*** FLOP *** [9s Ac 6h]
*** TURN *** [9s Ac 6h] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [9s Ac 6h 7h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tats17: shows [Js Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
signsix: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)

The buyin extention just ended so again Im losing major points.

I was in about 150th position and now I guess Im not even worthy to win $20 cause with my last 3 losses and this one combined I wont even be in position to win $20 after I lost about $60 in total just trying to earn my 150VVP.

Ths site is seriously flawed. Im so sick of losing almost every premium hand to hands that should never even be played or consistantly losing to a river 1 or 2 outer. Im not playing this next month. Im done. Im moving to another site permanently.

Im tired of pokerstars lame shuffling that is consistantly handing my hard earned cash right over to some donkey fish. This is nothing like real shuffling.

I GET IT, you see more hands online than live. That does not apply to the tournies. I mean come on!!!! Im sucked out on I sware like 90% of the time where Im a 75% or better favor. WTF is that?

Heads up all ins preflop are the worst for me. No matter how far ahead I am I lose almost everytime.

I wish I could post my whole heads up sitngo on here so you can see the chit Im talking about.

I got the guy down to 40 chips. He shoves obviously every hand. The pickle here is everytime he shoved I had AK AQ KK AA etc and he had garbage that kept on catching flushes and str8s until he got almost all his chips back. That is sick. I did go on to win the heads up but again WTF was that?

Im done. Ill continue to rattle my nerves for the rest of the month since I have already earned my next months 150VPPs and if by some miracle of hope my hands ever start to hold up I may play next month. This is my last stranglehold on my patience with this site.

chears.
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 02:59 PM
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in the sunday 2amest pl tourney you riverd a flush against my set its part off the game and it happens its called varience it happens to everyone you cant win them all
Your saying I rivered a flush on you? Sorry, that wasnt me. I dont play PL anything. Besides that, Of course I win soem hands and of course I have sucked out on people but I dont usually put myself into a position where I need to suckout to win. That is the BIG difference with this. I play really well. I follow everything Ive learned about poker to a tee. I execute when I should and I drop out when I should. None of it helps on this site.

People are allways talking about Varience but how come varience is not really apart of my live game with the same frequency or intencity? How come when I play live my premium hands hold up according to statistical odds, when they rarely even come close to that online? Infact, How do I lose headsup preflop all ins where Im a 90% favorite 90% of the time? That defies wholely the statistically odds of me winning the hand. This is not varience Sir, this is outright BS.

I dont mean to be rude. I am just letting you know that Varience over a ten year period would have ups and downs not just a steady fall consistantly surviving on your deposits. Rarely am I ever playing with winnings. I may double my deposit once and awhile but that is very short lived before Im making another deposit. I have never made a withdraw. I never even make enough for the minimum withdraw. I usually deposit between $20 and $100 online and I dont think I have ever had more than a $150 bankroll on pokerstars. I have had bigger bankrolls on other sites and even made withdraws but pokerstars just makes that impossible. So, before anyone tells me to play somewhere else, I already do. The only reason I started playing this site again was because of the PSO but now I am reminded why I left it in the first place.

Chears.
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 04:40 PM
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Your saying I rivered a flush on you? Sorry, that wasnt me. I dont play PL anything. Besides that, Of course I win soem hands and of course I have sucked out on people but I dont usually put myself into a position where I need to suckout to win. That is the BIG difference with this. I play really well. I follow everything Ive learned about poker to a tee. I execute when I should and I drop out when I should. None of it helps on this site.

People are allways talking about Varience but how come varience is not really apart of my live game with the same frequency or intencity? How come when I play live my premium hands hold up according to statistical odds, when they rarely even come close to that online? Infact, How do I lose headsup preflop all ins where Im a 90% favorite 90% of the time? That defies wholely the statistically odds of me winning the hand. This is not varience Sir, this is outright BS.

I dont mean to be rude. I am just letting you know that Varience over a ten year period would have ups and downs not just a steady fall consistantly surviving on your deposits. Rarely am I ever playing with winnings. I may double my deposit once and awhile but that is very short lived before Im making another deposit. I have never made a withdraw. I never even make enough for the minimum withdraw. I usually deposit between $20 and $100 online and I dont think I have ever had more than a $150 bankroll on pokerstars. I have had bigger bankrolls on other sites and even made withdraws but pokerstars just makes that impossible. So, before anyone tells me to play somewhere else, I already do. The only reason I started playing this site again was because of the PSO but now I am reminded why I left it in the first place.

Chears.
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 05:22 PM
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Just as I was writing the previous post. My pocket kings were defeated. But check out how: I flopped a king set. And was defeated by an AQ. How you ask? The other guy received a flush. But he didn't have 2 spade cards in his hand. He had the Ace of spade and an Q of another suit. So why wouldn't pokerstars give him 4 spades to beat my 3 kings. And why wouldn't that player call my bets with nothing? Oh and btw pokerstars wanted to be sure I lost my money so one of my kings was a spade.
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Heres my loss with KK to JJ on the river as usual not even 6 minutes ago.

signsix: raises 1110 to 1410 and is all-in
Stella796: folds
nato933: folds
cebollauru: folds
Tats17: calls 1110
*** FLOP *** [9s Ac 6h]
*** TURN *** [9s Ac 6h] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [9s Ac 6h 7h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tats17: shows [Js Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
signsix: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)

The buyin extention just ended so again Im losing major points.

I was in about 150th position and now I guess Im not even worthy to win $20 cause with my last 3 losses and this one combined I wont even be in position to win $20 after I lost about $60 in total just trying to earn my 150VVP.

Ths site is seriously flawed. Im so sick of losing almost every premium hand to hands that should never even be played or consistantly losing to a river 1 or 2 outer. Im not playing this next month. Im done. Im moving to another site permanently.

Im tired of pokerstars lame shuffling that is consistantly handing my hard earned cash right over to some donkey fish. This is nothing like real shuffling.

I GET IT, you see more hands online than live. That does not apply to the tournies. I mean come on!!!! Im sucked out on I sware like 90% of the time where Im a 75% or better favor. WTF is that?

Heads up all ins preflop are the worst for me. No matter how far ahead I am I lose almost everytime.

I wish I could post my whole heads up sitngo on here so you can see the chit Im talking about.

I got the guy down to 40 chips. He shoves obviously every hand. The pickle here is everytime he shoved I had AK AQ KK AA etc and he had garbage that kept on catching flushes and str8s until he got almost all his chips back. That is sick. I did go on to win the heads up but again WTF was that?

Im done. Ill continue to rattle my nerves for the rest of the month since I have already earned my next months 150VPPs and if by some miracle of hope my hands ever start to hold up I may play next month. This is my last stranglehold on my patience with this site.

chears.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE ON THE "IT'S RIGGED" BAND WAGON ALL THE WAY
SO WHY DID POKERSTARS DECIDE TO RIG IT AGAINST YOU ??
HOW MUCH DID THEY SPEND TO RIG THE PROGRAM AGAINST YOU ??
YOU MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING REAL BAD TO THEM



 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 11:16 PM
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hang in there man...pokerstars has a way of shifting luck back to ur side after u've lost as many hands as u have. i remember the "2 out of 3 rule" too...guy needs to hit a gutshot on the flop, turn and river both bring it it happens so much that u start to laugh it off...it's almost like the software is saying "just in case u missed the turn, here's the river with the same result"
Was playing the other day and this happened.
Donkey wins.
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2011, 12:14 AM
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Was playing the other day and this happened.
Donkey wins.

Did you upload the wrong hand? This guy had the best hand all the way and won.
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2011, 12:21 AM
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SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE ON THE "IT'S RIGGED" BAND WAGON ALL THE WAY
SO WHY DID POKERSTARS DECIDE TO RIG IT AGAINST YOU ??
HOW MUCH DID THEY SPEND TO RIG THE PROGRAM AGAINST YOU ??
YOU MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING REAL BAD TO THEM



Im not saying its rigged for anyone to win but I do see the same cards popping up in every different scenario. Like when AA vs a 92os all in the flop may come A34 then the turn and river are 5 7. Other than the A its a 7 high board.

Same with QKs vs 78os The flop will pop up 563 then the turn and river come up 10 9.

Or AA vs JJ flop comes up KQ10 then turn 95.

Like I have 1010 and my opponent has 99 the flop comes up 742 then the 99 shove and the 1010 call and the turn and river are 49. Its just never fails. I see this over and over again. These same scenarios and Im usually on the wrong end of everyone of them. I dont believe they rig it for a certain person to win. I think the software is just flawed.

cheers
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2011, 12:24 AM
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He had the best hand pre flop.
Then risks all his chips for a gut shot against two other players.
If this is how you play. I hope to play you soon.
 
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Your saying I rivered a flush on you? Sorry, that wasnt me. I dont play PL anything. Besides that, Of course I win soem hands and of course I have sucked out on people but I dont usually put myself into a position where I need to suckout to win. That is the BIG difference with this. I play really well. I follow everything Ive learned about poker to a tee. I execute when I should and I drop out when I should. None of it helps on this site.

People are allways talking about Varience but how come varience is not really apart of my live game with the same frequency or intencity? How come when I play live my premium hands hold up according to statistical odds, when they rarely even come close to that online? Infact, How do I lose headsup preflop all ins where Im a 90% favorite 90% of the time? That defies wholely the statistically odds of me winning the hand. This is not varience Sir, this is outright BS.

I dont mean to be rude. I am just letting you know that Varience over a ten year period would have ups and downs not just a steady fall consistantly surviving on your deposits. Rarely am I ever playing with winnings. I may double my deposit once and awhile but that is very short lived before Im making another deposit. I have never made a withdraw. I never even make enough for the minimum withdraw. I usually deposit between $20 and $100 online and I dont think I have ever had more than a $150 bankroll on pokerstars. I have had bigger bankrolls on other sites and even made withdraws but pokerstars just makes that impossible. So, before anyone tells me to play somewhere else, I already do. The only reason I started playing this site again was because of the PSO but now I am reminded why I left it in the first place.

Chears.


im pretty sure this is you no big deal its poker and it happens now you can say that you outdrew a player
 

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