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slow play in prem.league - Wed Aug 10, 2011, 08:37 AM
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Still a lot of players playing the "old way",taking their time making up their mind.BIG mistake in my opinion.The way the blinds are structured now you have to be able to play as many hands in the 1st hour as possible.Try as I might getting that message across at the tables,well hitting deaf ears.
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 10:22 AM
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Yes, it seems the majority of players are clocking every hand now, it's worse then it ever was in the open league. This can't be the way PSO wants us to play.
 
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Affirmative - Wed Aug 10, 2011, 10:40 AM
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 11:19 AM
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great post edin freeman +1000 clocking in the pml only increases the bingo aspect of the game when the blinds get larger and the stacks get shorter imho...scorp
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 11:20 AM
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Yeah I agree, if the table is a bunch of clockers, it's time to be more aggresive, since they are folding most of their hands. Otherwise I find I am not getting enough of a stack to make the points. You cannot clock your way to the points in the PL, so I don't know why so many still do it.
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 12:23 PM
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So very true, clocking is of no use in the premier league. You need to make the top 33% to even think about the break even point. At the rate the players are dropping out it makes no sense to use the time clock, I have seen as little as 30 players drop in the first hour compared to the open league when that many can drop every minute for the first 3 hours. So anyone thinking they will go deep by clocking consider this, you just wasted the first hour to see the blinds are now 80/160 ante 15 your sitting with about 1000 chips and the big stacks can afford to call preflop and push on turn to dominate any poker play you can muster. In other words by this time your down to one option, all in and pray that the poker gods will pay you off.

Can anyone say bingo poker. Now i know this may sound harsh but isn't that when we get on the conspiricy bus and start saying poker stars is paying off one group while the good players get shafted?

Its a different game now lets adjust and play our "A" game.

Best of Luck and see ya on the tables

Ralph
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 12:28 PM
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I think people are doing it because they don't know a better way. I watched the final table of a prem league tourney and people were still clocking. That made me laugh. No one can get knocked out while you are wasting time if you are at the only table! In the absence of a better idea, people will do what they know, and they know clocking. I find it frustrating to only play 53 hands in 2 hours only to have everyone at the table holding less than 10BB in their stacks. But it is a chance to learn how to play with controlled aggression and to learn patience. I am finding these games to be mentally challenging, just holding on to my emotions.
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 12:34 PM
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I agree. I'm not certain because I can't play, but I would guess that small-ball would be VERY effective in the PL. If players are going to sit-n-fold (trademarked ), then a little aggression, without much risk, would seem to go very far.
Get out there and play some poker people!
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2011, 12:44 PM
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Was thinking the same thing Dano but up till now has not worked for me since my10's keep running into kk's, my jj's into aa's etc ....etc ....etc....and funny enough in a league where position and blind stealing should be at a premium I have seen aces dealt to the big blind on four separate occasions in a total of seven tourneys .I have played here for almost 2 years and can only recall seeing that twice in all the tables I've played on rng and tournament combined.....not saying it's rigged or anything ,but to me is a strange coincidence.....anyway just an observation gl all.....scorp
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2011, 07:18 AM
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Oh I understand clocking it after the 1st hour and a half,as long as u have 3500 in chips,let the blinds erode other short stacks away.My grip is the 1st hour,u have 2 try and get in as many hands as possible and hope u hit a few hands or steal a few blinds,.Clocking the 1st hour will end up killing u!
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2011, 09:11 AM
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Small Ball wouldn't be effective because small ball is a game which requires accepting a number of small losses looking for a big win. Small ball requires a large stack. In PL, you start with less than 40 BB, and it's nearly impossible to get beyond that.
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2011, 06:28 PM
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Actually, it makes no real difference if you want to run through the first 2 levels of BBs:
The mathematical diff is not significant.
After that, math is math and the advantage to the small stacked(SSed) player is indeed significant although not as much in the new scoring system as b4.
Every MTT is, more or less, exactly the same; advantage to the SSed player by clocking.
While every other player at your table has his turn, you are indeed playing against the players at your table but, when your turn comes, you get to play against every other player in the tournament currently engaged in a hand for those 14 seconds and secondly, you engage in a psychological battle with every BSed player at your table, wearing him down, disrupting his speed of play and thereby preventing him from using his big stack against you as often as he would like.
Lastly, a SSed player is not "clocking" his way to the points; he is clocking his way to a smaller loss of points.
Sleepy
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Last edited by sleepyolman; Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 10:47 PM.. Reason: clarification
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2011, 09:13 PM
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Happy birthday ol' man!!
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 09:40 AM
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 09:46 AM
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Happy birthday ol' man!!

Happy Birthday Sleepy
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 10:02 AM
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happy b' day SLEEPY you got me by 2 years. hope we get another 20 or so.


good luck
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 11:18 AM
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happy birthday sleepy hope dopey remembers youre birthday
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 01:04 PM
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Happy Birthday Sleepy

Here's to many more

 

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