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A set down by a straight draw - Fri Aug 12, 2011, 02:19 PM
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Ok here it goes:

I limp my pocket threes from a middle position, and also there was a big amount of limpers behind me, nobody raised.

FLOP: 5 7 3 rainbow. Guy from the BB raises a lot, and i decide just to shove it with my set right there, even though i was a bit worried about 4 6 hand which could he easily have since he was on the big blind.
Then a guy behind me shoves as well, but he was a total calling station, so he could have anything. The raising guy calls as well.

The calling station had 2 4, only a straight draw, he was calling anything he had, not matter if there was a raise or not, the BB had middle pair only.

The turn changed nothing, but river gave that CS a straight...what should i do against such idiots?
He was calling all the raises, with total junk and ALWAYS got lucky...i am being desperate.

How do you play this small pocket pairs from UTG or other bad position?

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HohnerBoy
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 02:46 PM
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It's way, way too early to be shoving unless you're certain you'll have the best hand AFTER all 5 board cards are shown. People will be calling/shoving with basically ATC this early.

Having a set, I'd have called the flop bet, BUT, you don't want to push unless you get a full house, as any straight draws will most likely call it.

patience, patience, patience
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 04:22 PM
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what do you do with small pocket pairs when you are UTG? i really suck at this hands...

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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 04:46 PM
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WELL YOU ARE NOT UTG HERE




 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 04:54 PM
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Who said i am? I just ask what to do in that case
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 05:58 PM
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There IS nothing you can do about the mathematics of poker.

Luck happens, it will always happen, and it is always out of your control.

In this spot, both these palyers essentially STACKED OFF as big dogs; one of 'em held 2nd pair with A kicker, the other on just an ooe Straight draw. What ELSE do you want?

The fact is, that straight draw WILL get there by the river about 1 time in 3 if he sees both cards, and being all in on the flop guarentees he will see both cards. So THAT means, roughly 1 time in 3 you WILL lose (sometimes you'll pair the turn and his straight on the riv will be no good, or his turned straight will lsoe to your boat).

The only thing you can do is ACCEPT IT.

Poker is a game of good decisions, NOT guarentees that those good decisions will result in wins every time.

If you have indications you villains will stack off this lightly versus your set, ten you WANT to get them to do it...every time. But when you DO get them to do it, you will surely LOSE 1 time in 3.

But the 2 times in 3 you do win will more than pay you back for your losses.

...THAT is what poker is about, not trying to find "solutions" to control luck.
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2011, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HohnerBoy View Post
what do you do with small pocket pairs when you are UTG? i really suck at this hands...

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early small pairs from UTG, unless you can guarantee that any others that want to play the pot will call a limp... should be mucked. If you're in late position and want to limp in or call a small raise, no problems... but don't push until you know your hand will hold up after all 5 board cards are seen.

It isn't easy, even with big pairs (had KK last night, myself that I pushed after 3 unders on the flop... only to be rivered by a J to the opp's JJ that called me). What you need to do is to learn from every situation that you get into, both good and bad, and to see how you can make the best of those situations the next time.
 

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