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Stopping poker - Mon Aug 22, 2011, 11:52 PM
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My games not improving and I suck at this game I quit. Ive lost way to much money over a time and im not winning it back so I have to quit. I always thought I could become a winning player but I have to except that I suck at poker and am a big losing player. So good luck to everyone here and thanks for all the lessons.
 
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Mon Aug 22, 2011, 11:58 PM
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YEP WE ALL HAVE THOSE DAYS
SEE YOU NEXT WEEK




 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 12:23 AM
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 12:31 AM
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Perhaps it isn't poker that you cannot play. It might be this particular variation. Suggest you start playing a different game in the play money until you think you're ready for the cash version. Lots of options out there if Hold'em isn't working.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 12:42 AM
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 01:10 AM
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if u really want to get good at poker, u have to think about it all the time. u have to constantly analyze the hands u played badly in ur head so that when the situation presents itself in the future, u will make the correct decision. is there any pattern of losing in ur game? by this i mean are there specific situations that seem to keep coming up where u end up on the short end of the stick for one reason or another? if u can give us some more details about ur game, we could definitely give u some relevant pointers to get urself going again. but yeah, taking a break for awhile and not even thinking about poker is probably ur best bet and this point. then u will be motivated to come back full force. u gotta love the game to death and be motivated to play if u want good results. good luck to u
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 01:44 AM
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Some people no matter how hard they try to learn this game, even if they put all the time in the world into learning and applying the lessons that are available here or where ever just aren't cut out for this crazy game we love to play some days and to hate so much the next. if it was so easy everyone would be playing it and winning... some people have to lose though in order for there to be winners, it's unfortunate some get so addicted to it that they lose everything including the shirt on their back, some have enough common sense to call it quits when they know they are beat. but some don't...first and foremost..keep it fun and it won't get to that point...knowing when to get out before it's to late is the key IMO...id personally just take a long over due break...go do something else that you enjoy doing for a while, then come back and monkey around on the play tables for a bit ...I got hooked on poker bad when I first started playing, couldn't get enough of it, but the addiction finally wore off after about a year and it's been good ever since

Weee I know we've bumped heads a couple times in the past but I just gotta say that in my opinion this is one of the best posts I've read here in a really long time. Nicely said and I couldn't agree more.

poker I know you love the game and when one feels that their love for something is unrequited it's hard. Take some time off and see if you can square yourself to coming back to the game for enjoyment first and foremost. Whether that's for play money or a small amount deposit that you're okay with losing (if it comes to that...) knowing that it's an "entertainment" cost is up to you. If you can square yourself to playing the game just for the joy of the game itself and seeing some improvement in your play as reward enough and most importantly HAVING FUN with it then it's all to the good. If your enjoyment is solely predicated on some notion of "I have to win X amount.." or whatever then you may be better to stay away,at least for the time being.

Best I can say it,I hope you find peace with your decision whatever it may be.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 02:15 AM
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How can anyone bump heads with Moxie? Seriously.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 02:42 AM
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After what Wee and Moxie have said, there is very little I could add to this...but if you genuinely feel you need to stop, for whatever reason, then please do just that.

Click on the link below...its an article by Simon "Aces" Trumper, a Top British pro who was once ranked Number 1 in Europe. It's a very cautionary tale indeed.


http://www.simonacestrumper.com/poker-in-europe01.html
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 03:10 AM
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How can anyone bump heads with Moxie? Seriously.

Uh,because I can be a complete and total dick sometimes.

Years of practice. Honed to a steely,phallic edge...
 
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Try RAZZ or 2-7 there fun - Tue Aug 23, 2011, 06:05 AM
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Try RAZZ or 2-7 there fun..I like 2 play diff games u get bored of the same maybe it's NL Holdem your sick of in general and might have alot more fun playing Razz or something and might be better @ it or even play the HORSE taurneys be fun for u learning all the new games learn with the play chips 1st then try ya hand at the new games for small cash and have fun
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 06:42 AM
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My games not improving and I suck at this game I quit. Ive lost way to much money over a time and im not winning it back so I have to quit. I always thought I could become a winning player but I have to except that I suck at poker and am a big losing player. So good luck to everyone here and thanks for all the lessons.
Two things sprung to mind when reading this.......................

I can't remember which thread it was in, but a month or so ago I remember referring to you as a "gambler" after reading your comments.

Then a week or two back, I think it was in one of the Bootcamp sessions, you stated that I "always" played too tight.

Now I'm not saying this in order to knock you in any way, but I think those statements were indicative of how differently the two of us view the game. Your satisfaction or "buzz" appears to come from being involved in the action. Mine comes from making a withdrawal at the end of the month and my approach is tailored to ensure that happens. Action is great, but if I don't have the cards, position or stack to justify participating I'm quite happy to watch others go to war and do the work for me.

You really have to decide what it is that you want from the game. To play for entertainment or profit are equally valid reasons. But to get more of one, you almost always have to accept less of the other.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerstar671

My games not improving and I suck at this game I quit. Ive lost way to much money over a time and im not winning it back so I have to quit. I always thought I could become a winning player but I have to except that I suck at poker and am a big losing player. So good luck to everyone here and thanks for all the lessons.


If you fell off your horse would you walk home ? No you would get back on and be more carefull next time, that's it in a nutshell. I have felt like quitting so many times, give it a miss for a couple of days reduce your buy ins and have more patience, tweak what you consider to be good starting hands and tighten up all round. If a complete numpty like me can hang about the 200 mark in the prem then its poss for anyone. Good luck and stick at it.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 06:58 AM
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Yes i quit downloading porn ever since i found out im no good at playing wif my self. When u see u dont have the goods at one thing try another thing to kill time, i came across pokerstars and the holdem game few yrs back and damm sure beats playing wif my self. GL GG and enjoy ur new past times when u find out what it is or what ur good at!
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 07:46 AM
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there some really good advice here. I actually play very little anymore, since black friday. and instead focus my energy almost entirely on learning more.reading and rereading stuff til the concepts i'm reading about are alomost engraved in my lil pea.this ,for me, for now, is enough to keep on keepin' on. I play a couple of home games now and again to put what i'm learning into practice, but thats about it, and I feel that when my gov. says I can play again,my game will be MUCH improved over before BF. and if you truly feel that your capacity to learn the game to a standard that you are comfortable with, just plain isn't there, then you are probably be better served to use your energy towards something else. best of luck in whatever you decide to do, and no this community will be here to help if you decide to stick around. all the best, and stack em high !! MT
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 08:39 AM
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Yes i quit downloading porn ever since i found out im no good at playing wif my self. When u see u dont have the goods at one thing try another thing to kill time, i came across pokerstars and the holdem game few yrs back and damm sure beats playing wif my self. GL GG and enjoy ur new past times when u find out what it is or what ur good at!
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 08:42 AM
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LOL
you quote your self to laugh? lol anyways poker didnt you win a $10000 pca package? thats pretty damn good, and a tough thing to do....
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 10:02 AM
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You have gotten some really good responses here poker.

I know this month is unique with the vpp promo and I see you are platinum right now..this has some perks. Now I don't know exactly what you've lost here, but these vip levels can offer some really good kickbacks in tourneys and fpp rewards...all these things should be considered.
If you're a somewhat break even player, then, for example, play the goldstar freeroll and cash decently in it...well now you may be a winning player.
Of course, you would need to look over this aspect and determine if these benefits do make you a winning player.

I particularly like wee's advice and also the idea of looking at some other games like PLO and Razz.
Take a step back..reanalyze what you're winning/losing money at..and when you're feeling good, make those adjustments and use good bankroll management.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 08:33 PM
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You really have to decide what it is that you want from the game. To play for entertainment or profit are equally valid reasons. But to get more of one, you almost always have to accept less of the other.
So much great advice in this thread - thx everybody!

Darkman's really spoke to me and where I'm at, because I've been playing these STT Sit N Gos, and all the regulars who are turning a profit are SUPER tight. Not just tight, but SUPER tight. Like I'm talking VPIP of 0-4 for the first half hour until blinds kick in. Unless they get AA or KK.

I can see why that works - because it's a way to minimize the risk inherent in variance, if all your playing is the cards. If other people fall prey to the variance before you've even put your chips in the middle, you've succeeded in eliminated 2,3,even 4 or 5 people without having to incur any risk yourself, eh?

The other way to minimize the risk inherent in variance I guess would be to just not play the cards (ie the 'Tom Dwan'). Which I would imagine is susceptible to a far worse form of variance - pocketbook variance, because the risks of raising and bluffing and actually getting called even higher?

I've been trying to play tight, but as soon as I start to make some money, I go back to having fun and wind up blowing it ... and I guess I'm kind of happy with where I'm at right now, with that balance ... it is sometimes kind of fun to donk around, if not profitable

Sometimes the variance can be frustrating, but there's lots to learn when it comes to poker too. Maybe there's ways to experiment with different styles without putting as much of a dent in your bankroll? By dropping down to lower levels, or what have you? Like, how that cliche goes, it's not about the finish line, it's the journey, or whatever that is. I'll be mortified if that quote comes from like a Spice Girls song or whatever, instead of somebody really wise ... but it's kind of true, eh, do people find?
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2011, 08:58 PM
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99.9% of the world cant play like Tom Dwan, hell Tom Dwan cant even play like Tom Dwan anymore
 

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