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"poker break" ? - Sun Sep 04, 2011, 12:26 AM
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I think we need to coin a term for when a player is having incredibly bad luck, is getting frustrated, and needs a break from the game. I think we can come up w/ something better than "poker break."

Anyway as tempted as I am to play right now, I'm a bit tired/ irritated and I think that playing in a good frame of mind is super important, so I'm on a "poker break," and gonna finish an essay i've been workin on and watch a movie or something. With the exception of books and training classes, I mean for like several days. I'll tell u why in a sec. but let me say there was an interview I saw a while ago with a major Las Vegas casino manager, and he said one of the biggest mistakes amatuers make vs. pros is amatuers will get up early, spend all day traveling, get to the hotel, unpack, etc, ...and then come down to the casino (late) and play (tired).

Imagine this : (just a sample)

I got pocket A's isolate loose aggress. pull him for value w/ non scary board, A comes on the river, he pushes. What would u do. I called. He hit st8 on river holding jk. he had k high (top pr) the whole time which is what I put him on.

I gott 33. Hit trips on the flop non scary board, loose aggress. villain pushes, has trp 8's.


Now all this didnt happen in one game. I'd stop, do some chores or something then try again, even a tourney.


Twice got blasted by flushes on river. And if ur asking why so many rivers, well these are mostly calling stations/ bluffers and i was shootin for value.

Then here's he final straw, I actually typed in the chat box, "I'm tilting, so I'm gonna quit for today", and before i could log out ... I got pocket j's. I called a 3x raise, isolated villain, I hit a j on flop! Villain raises i call, again im pullin for value/trap whatever u wanna call it, and theres an ace on the flop too. So I got him on a top pair, and (hopefully high kicker). He has lousy a8, but beats me he hit a flush; turn and river was clubs and one flop card. wow.

And this was only the tip of the iceberg. I mean there were dozens of suckouts like this all day. I was afraid of catching a royal flush, cause Ida had a heart attack or my roof woulda collapsed or something and ida not been able to finish the hand, and lost that too.

And again, Im not bitchin, I analized my play, etc. prob. wouldnt change much, etc. Just sayin there's gotta be a time when every player feels like I do and there's got to be a solution, in my opinion a short break. I just think there should be a name for that in poker terminology.


Thanks for listenin, johann.

btw..this is not a thread about bad beats, nor do i believe in complaining about donks that suck out on the river etc. i focus on how ive played the hand; correctly or incorrectly. I could care less whether someone gets lucky on the river or not.

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Sun Sep 04, 2011, 03:26 PM
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There is a name for what you're doing...

It's called "playing correctly."

If you need a few days to get your head on straight and shake those beats off, take them and be confident that you're doing the right thing.
 
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Sun Sep 04, 2011, 05:15 PM
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There is a name for what you're doing...

It's called "playing correctly."

If you need a few days to get your head on straight and shake those beats off, take them and be confident that you're doing the right thing.
Yeah I know what ur sayin, but I think the time will come when variance, who can be a real nasty b**ch, will captivate you, even by her mere prescence.

I saw another interview where gus hanson had a "bad streak" and lost 3 million bucks in like a month. I'm sure if u google it ull find it. The point of the video was that he made it all beack in one day, and even Gus was perplexed by the so called loosing streak.

I just wanted to expolore the concept of things like "luck" "variance" etc. I consider myself pretty analytically minded, so I think what are the odds are of flipping a coin and hitting heads 3 times in a row, what about 6 times? What about 12 times; you do the math. What are the odds of someone hitting heads after a coin has been flipped 50 times? Still 50/50 I get that but what are the odds of you flippng a coin and hitting heads 50 times? Impossible. To me this whole game is about having the advantage/ or odds on your opponent, right, or why would we play? Eventually everyone gerts the same cards, etc.

The govt (unfortunately) wont let places like Las Vegas have too much of an advantage over a player. The odds against 21 or (the worst) roulette are to are standards relatively miniscule. (Like 3-4% house favor). And some slots have an advantage of only 1-2%, an yey they make billions and are able to build pyramids that shine a light even to space.

My point is any advantage/expolitation you have over someone is the diffrerence between winning and losing. But at our level, where we dont play 200 million hands a day, variance can b=ecome an issue, and so does emotion.

Just thought, light-heartedly, that we could come up with a cool and needed term for when a player needs to just stop for a while, and not compound frustration to tilting , etc.

What about " hold em holiday" ?

ps another reason for this post was there was a post relatively recently from a great player that got frustrated and just wanted to quit playing the game, cause he though he wasnt improving. Just wanted to give folks like that a "shoulder to cry on" and to know this happes to all. ever watch negranus losing streak on high stakes? wow it lasted forever. does that mean hes a shi**ty player? i dont think so...i.e... i certainly wouldnt want to play a ring game w/ 8 daniels, would u?

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Sun Sep 04, 2011, 06:49 PM
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Dear Johann,

I know we have all been there and we are going to go 'there' again at some stage as long as we keep playing poker.

In the last fortnight I have lost to quads 5 times, flopping the high straight twice and being put all in, and 3 times with the top full house, again all in. This has resulted in me dropping down a level as the bankroll obviously took a bit of a pounding. Never mind it is only a stage or phase and it won't continue (surely). So you brush yourself off, dust yourself down and start to climb the ladder again but from a lower rung as bankroll is base camp.

Until recently I used to play a game called bowls where you toss a coin before the start of every match to decide who bowls first. I always call tails and invariably or so it seemed I would lose the toss. This amused me a little so I thought I would keep a RECORD OF MY TOSS RESULTS (Oh dear that really doesn't sound very dignified).
To my amazement during this period of record taking calling tails I lost 26 consecutive times. Thankfully I didn't lose all 26 games toboot.

Long term u will be ok Johann. If the confidence has gone, and poker is as much psychological as mathematical, then give it a break and come back refreshed. The length of the break is down to how you feel.

On the topic of poker break maybe the following - you are going to be having a:-

poker sabbatical
folding your arms instead of your hands
no limit leisure
& poker pillow time.

Finally, to deal with my own losses on a psychological basis I spent some time on another poker site where the play is not just ultra loose aggressive but positively sagging violently and soon cheered myself up with some nice wins.

Good luck with all things poker.

Best wishes nv
 
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Sun Sep 04, 2011, 07:30 PM
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Dear Johann,

I know we have all been there and we are going to go 'there' again at some stage as long as we keep playing poker.

In the last fortnight I have lost to quads 5 times, flopping the high straight twice and being put all in, and 3 times with the top full house, again all in. This has resulted in me dropping down a level as the bankroll obviously took a bit of a pounding. Never mind it is only a stage or phase and it won't continue (surely). So you brush yourself off, dust yourself down and start to climb the ladder again but from a lower rung as bankroll is base camp.

Until recently I used to play a game called bowls where you toss a coin before the start of every match to decide who bowls first. I always call tails and invariably or so it seemed I would lose the toss. This amused me a little so I thought I would keep a RECORD OF MY TOSS RESULTS (Oh dear that really doesn't sound very dignified).
To my amazement during this period of record taking calling tails I lost 26 consecutive times. Thankfully I didn't lose all 26 games toboot.

Long term u will be ok Johann. If the confidence has gone, and poker is as much psychological as mathematical, then give it a break and come back refreshed. The length of the break is down to how you feel.

On the topic of poker break maybe the following - you are going to be having a:-

poker sabbatical
folding your arms instead of your hands
no limit leisure
& poker pillow time.

Finally, to deal with my own losses on a psychological basis I spent some time on another poker site where the play is not just ultra loose aggressive but positively sagging violently and soon cheered myself up with some nice wins.

Good luck with all things poker.

Best wishes nv

Oh I know, I love this as a hobby. God forbid I make money, but u never know. Either way I am happy.

See you one day soon on the WPT, and I will be on my game that day, so watch out..

Thank you. You are a sweetheart. Johann.

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Sun Sep 04, 2011, 07:48 PM
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Yeah I know what ur sayin, but I think the time will come when variance, who can be a real nasty b**ch, will captivate you, even by her mere prescence.
One way to minimize the impact of a bad variance swing on your psyche is to become ultra focused on the quality of your decisions. You do not control the results of individual hands, you only control your decisions and actions. To focus on negative results drags one down quickly, I know because I've been there. Winning poker players learn something from almost every key hand. You may learn your read was wrong or you may find out it was right and reinforce your decision.

Except for a few instances where it is too close to call every decision, through thoughtful and frank analysis, can be classified as either bad or good. Good decisions should reinforce your play even you had an undesirable outcome, Bad decisions are not wasted opportunities if you learn from the experience.

The lesson above took me years to learn and can be applied to areas beside poker.

Good luck and good learning.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011, 10:11 AM
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Stop press!

more quads against today. But the villain was ahead all the way this time. 88 - flop K88. Wheeee!
 

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