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trying to steel a blind - Tue Sep 06, 2011, 08:55 PM
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was not realy looking for a showdown but i was on the button everyone folded to me ,i figured ive been folding for a while so i figured good spot to steel a blind ,so i shoved and got called,
i believe it was a good call ,well maybe not i lost but i believe i was in the right position,any thoughts

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Wed Sep 07, 2011, 11:03 AM
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I think it's a bit too much with almost 20 bb's to shove. If you have a tight image and blinds who don't defend light, you can raise like 2. and accomplish the same desired goal, while still getting away from a 3b from them which will always be ahead of you. Same steal %, and when the AK jams you can fold and still leave yourself over 17 bb's which still gives you resteal fold equity. It's close, but I like this a bit better than a shove.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2011, 11:27 AM
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I agree with Dave. A normal raise here would possibly steal the blinds, yet allow you to dump the hand. Personally, I like to raise on the button a bit more then 2.2 though..maybe 2.5 to 2.7..or possibly a little over 3x if they're loose...just to make them pay to play oop.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2011, 05:51 PM
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thanks guys great advice as usual lol
 
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Thu Sep 08, 2011, 07:46 AM
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I agree too. It's too much to be shoving too early. At 60/120, normally there are still alot of players left that will call anything. I'd just make a std raise... which will normally get you the pot.... unless someone has a real hand or you run into a calling station.

If you always raise a bit more trying to steal, it can be something that a player can pick up on. Always make those as a std raise... so others don't know if you have a real hand or are trying to steal the blinds.
 
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Thu Sep 08, 2011, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JWK24 View Post
If you always raise a bit more trying to steal, it can be something that a player can pick up on. Always make those as a std raise... so others don't know if you have a real hand or are trying to steal the blinds.
This is just something I picked up from Chris Ferguson in something I saw on a "loser" site.
He says he raises 2.5x in EP, 3 in MP, and 3.5 in LP...every time. I try to use it, but don't always. I do gravitate to the LP raise of a bit more though, especially if the blinds are a bit loose. If they're tight, then there's not much need to do so. It's just about position, not about stealing really. I'm pretty tight and don't steal a ton anyway.
 
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Thu Sep 08, 2011, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by !!!111Dan View Post
This is just something I picked up from Chris Ferguson in something I saw on a "loser" site.
He says he raises 2.5x in EP, 3 in MP, and 3.5 in LP...every time.
That advice is pretty dated, I'm not sure Chris does this any more tbh... it stems from a time when EP raises represented real strength (so by his philosophy less of a raise was required to get respect) while LP raises were more often viewed as steals (so a little extra discouragement was required). After the "UTG is the new button" shift in the mainstream among MTT regs, one could argue at that time, based on Chris's philosophy, exactly the opposite raise sizing would be appropriate.

Ultimately I'm in the camp that the smaller raise sizing in mtt's usually works better to serve multiple purposes well.
 

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