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Is it ok to fold QQ at flop on K high flop?

Is it ok to fold QQ at flop on K high flop? - Tue Sep 27, 2011, 03:22 AM
mohitmadaan's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 15
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $27.49 (110 bb)
UTG: $26 (104 bb)
MP: $25 (100 bb)
CO: $10 (40 bb)
Hero (BTN): $32.29 (129.2 bb)
SB: $41.06 (164.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q:spade: Q:diamond:
CO posts BB OOP, UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, MP raises to $5.50, CO folds, Hero calls $3.25

Flop: ($12.10) 8:spade: K:club: 8:diamond: (2 players)
MP bets $5.75, Hero folds

Results: $12.10 pot ($0.60 rake)
Final Board: 8:spade: K:club: 8:diamond:
MP mucked and won $11.50 ($6 net)
Hero mucked Q:spade: Q:diamond: and lost (-$5.50 net)

When villian 4 bets me pre flop, i am putting him on AA, KK or AKs... Is that pretty decent, considering i am only play 15/15 at this table over last 142 hands and he still 4 bets me.

So basically by calling the 4 bet, i am set mining myself or hoping to pick up some decent draws.

What do you think if this is good fold or not?

Also, the C bet on flop percentage for villian is only 20% over 234 hands... So if he c bets strong with worrying about the K, it has to be AA or AK or KK
Tue Sep 27, 2011, 03:35 AM
mohitmadaan's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 15
Don't really have much reads but got some stats over last 250 hands or so
22/16 with 6.1 3-bet% and fold to 3-bet only 17% and 4 bet is 17%
Tue Sep 27, 2011, 05:55 AM
JDean's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,145
Definately it is ok to fold QQ here.

The pre flop 3bet is just fine, as is the flat of the 4bet.

A lot of a 4bettor's range is going to have QQ in trouble with a K on the flop, as pre-flop he has narrowed what he may hold considerably. When he follows up with a slightly less than half pot bet on the flop, you gotta be really worried he spiked that K (with an AK), or held a pp bigger than yours all along.

With the pot at $17+, your only options are to move all in or fold here, and that K is scary enough that moving in is probably not winning you enough in the long run to run the risk of slamming head long into AK or AA.

There is a chance he out-played you with JJ/TT or some such, but I'd think that is a small enough chance you really don't need to sweat it. at least you kept $25 you can use to punish the table in clearer spots later on...

Last edited by JDean; Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 07:27 AM..
Tue Sep 27, 2011, 10:41 AM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,819
You can definitely fold QQ here. It's much better to lose $5.50, than to lose your whole stack. I also agree with the hands that the opp should have basically crush QQ (AA, KK, AK).

Same situation if you have KK and an A hits... the opp will normally have AK or outside chance at AQ... both of which will beat KK.
Tue Sep 27, 2011, 12:01 PM
beerdoh's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 95
I would definitely fold as he re-raised you preflop and then raised again on the flop with the higher card out there.You probably saved some cash.I'd call it a good read,but i'm no pro.Best of luck in the future.
Tue Sep 27, 2011, 01:22 PM
TheLangolier's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 13,510
(Head Trainer)
+1. If his 4B range is KK+ and AK then you are now beat by 100% of his range on this flop.

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