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I Have 2 Pair and Unknown Overbets Pot On Turn -- Should I Have Called?

I Have 2 Pair and Unknown Overbets Pot On Turn -- Should I Have Called? - Sat Oct 08, 2011, 12:03 PM
ILuvPoker77's Avatar
Since: Sep 2011
Posts: 84
Upon review of this hand, which occurred early in a STT SNG, I don't really have a problem with my play pre-flop or on the flop. Possibly I should have raised higher on the flop -- please let me know if that is the case.

However, when "wakico" overbet the pot on the turn, I was really confused about what to do. It smelled fishy to me, but not knowing him at all, I decided after some thought to give him credit for having more than just a pair of aces. I thought it possible he could have A5, or *maybe* 55. But it's possible he didn't have me beaten and his overbet was an attempt to get others to fold when he held a 1 pair hand such as TT or something.

Not knowing anything about this player, did I make a good fold here, or should I have gone ahead and gotten it in with my 2 pair?



Last edited by ILuvPoker77; Sat Oct 08, 2011 at 12:11 PM..
Sat Oct 08, 2011, 12:09 PM
XxTiberxX's Avatar
Since: Sep 2011
Posts: 374
all-in for me but i play very agressive :P
Sat Oct 08, 2011, 12:51 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,836
First, I like your raise on the flop.

I'd put them on an A, diamond draw or set of 5's or 6's.. but I'm ruling out 55 due to the re-raise on the flop.

A mid to upper pair should lead out for more than the min on the flop, to see where they were at and muck to your raise (not re-raise). Diamond draw should also just call your raise, not 3-bet too.

Sounds to me like they had you beat with A6, 66 or A5... probably A6.
Sat Oct 08, 2011, 05:00 PM
ILuvPoker77's Avatar
Since: Sep 2011
Posts: 84
Thanks, JWK24.

Yes, now that you reason it through, A6 or 66 makes the most sense. I was only thinking A5 or 55 because he made such a huge bet after the 5 appeared on the turn, but those hands wouldn't account for his aggression on the flop. In retrospect, I don't really like the size of his bet on the turn...he could have gotten more money out of me by betting smaller, and I might have even given him an extra street of value if he had bet a small amount on the river.

Thanks for confirming that a fold was probably the best choice. I feel better about the hand now.
Sat Oct 08, 2011, 08:50 PM
JDean's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,145
You played this quite well actually.

You get a free flop with A2o, woo hoo, I LOVE when that happens!

You flop 2 pair (top and bottom; THAT is why I love when I get free flops in the BB!)

The SB min bets, so that can mean anything from an airball bluff looking to jam hard, to a flush draw only, to a paired flush draw, to the true nuts (although allowing it to go multi way to the flop with AA without a raise is pretty spew-y).

Your hand is ahead of enough of the various possibilities that your raise to 120 to go is quite nice: you SHOULD price out weak draws even if you get 1 or 2 loose callers (those with less than your 2 pair), and you also are making it so anyone who wants to BLUFF you off this pot is going to have to pay a pretty stiff price to do so.

Waiko then raises you the MINIMUM and you call.

OTHER stinking caller has definately made your call of the min raise reasonable, as that call still sees you only 16% invested in the pot, and waiko might be a moron with a REAL hand, or he might just be a maniac who over values draws. flatting the min raise for only 16% total is a fine choice when you do not "know" which way to think, as it allows you to see his later actions for more info...

Well, Waiko now open jams his 1200 into the pot, and that means if you call you are either right and on a stack which MAY get you to ITM (but no guarentees) or you are WRONG and out (that is a guarentee!). That was the sort of info flat calling his min raise over your raise on the flop was looking for...

This could STILL be a maniac move, but it might also might be a real hand...most of THOSE are ahead of your 2 pair, and you have little chance to improve if it is a better hand. When he (waiko) stakes what is essentially his tourney life on that decision, chances are it is NOT at maniac shove at least enough of the time that "saving" 63BB is definately a solid choice.

If he is a maniac and bluffed you here, chances are pretty good you'll find a better spot with the chips you have left to get 'em back, and if he WAS on a better hand, you just dodged a pretty big bullet that may have busted a lot of players.

Had you been over around 30% invested, I'd say calling is preferable, but at half that investment, you made an excellant fold decision.

good job.

Last edited by JDean; Sat Oct 08, 2011 at 08:56 PM..

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