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A simple QUESTION (very short); Please answer... - Tue Oct 11, 2011, 03:58 PM
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Just a very simple question for the community:

What do YOU think is the most important attribute for a poker player to have?

Why?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 04:02 PM
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self control
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 04:06 PM
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patience or 1 billion dollar bankroll lol
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 04:16 PM
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The ability to consistently exploit your advantages and edges over time.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 04:19 PM
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Work ethic and willingness to learn.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 04:19 PM
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As many things do.....it depends.

As a cash player, I think that patience is a key, as it is really in any style of poker.
But as a tourney player, I think adaptability is more important.

The ability to adapt to opponents, stack sizes, position, tourney stage, make a player better in a tourney set-up, imo, over patience.
Patience is the word in the beginning of a tourney, as we gain info and reads, but we have to be ready to change gears as tourneys get down to 27 and less and tables get short handed if we are going to be successful...heads up particularly.
This can roll over in cash formats too, but I find myself staying close to the norm in cash unless maniacs or nits are at the table.

So..adaptability.
 
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Poker attribute - Tue Oct 11, 2011, 04:52 PM
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I feel the most important attribute for a successful poker player is to have the right MINDSET.
If you are not in that positive mental zone before you enter any poker game you are unlikely to play at your most flexible and at your most fearless and ruthless. You must have that desire to really concentrate at all times, even when you are not involved in a hand, so you can be reading your opponents, checking stacks and blinds, etc. And you must be able to carry on with that attitude even when misfortune plays it's hand.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:03 PM
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Memory.

Long when it needs to be long,short when it needs to be short.

And the ability to know the difference.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by roomik17 View Post
self control
what do you mean by "self control"?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:30 PM
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patience or 1 billion dollar bankroll lol
Patience how?

The ultimate in "patience" would be waiting to invest any money in a pot until you ahd the absolute nut hand, right?

If you wait to play ONLY those hands, do you think you will be a long term winner? Even if you ARE a long term winner (because people will pay you excessively when you do show your willingness to wait), do you think someone else who takes well measured risks might make MORE?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:30 PM
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understanding that any two cards can win
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:31 PM
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The ability to consistently exploit your advantages and edges over time.
What aobut the times you are "card dead" and do not have any clear "advantages"?

What about situations where you are seated in a raked game with plays of EQUAL SKILL, therefore no one has a clear advantage?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PaidInFull6 View Post
Work ethic and willingness to learn.
What about even if you "work" very very hard on your poker game, but do NOT exercise good game selection skills? Even if you are the 1000th best poker player in the WORLD, if you sit at a table with 9 other players who are BETTER than you, might not all your hard work go for naught?

Plus...

Even if you are "willing to learn", what happens if you just have "bad luck"?

While it is true that luck will tend to even out the more hands you play, it is NOT a certainty that luck will even out after even 5 million hands. If your bad luck holds through even a HUGE number of hands, despite a willingness to learn, you still may be un-able to learn ENOUGH to off-set that bad luck...right?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by !!!111Dan View Post
As many things do.....it depends.

As a cash player, I think that patience is a key, as it is really in any style of poker.
But as a tourney player, I think adaptability is more important.

The ability to adapt to opponents, stack sizes, position, tourney stage, make a player better in a tourney set-up, imo, over patience.
Patience is the word in the beginning of a tourney, as we gain info and reads, but we have to be ready to change gears as tourneys get down to 27 and less and tables get short handed if we are going to be successful...heads up particularly.
This can roll over in cash formats too, but I find myself staying close to the norm in cash unless maniacs or nits are at the table.

So..adaptability.
this is pretty much the same as being aware and having the ability to exploit your advantages...
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:37 PM
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I feel the most important attribute for a successful poker player is to have the right MINDSET.
If you are not in that positive mental zone before you enter any poker game you are unlikely to play at your most flexible and at your most fearless and ruthless. You must have that desire to really concentrate at all times, even when you are not involved in a hand, so you can be reading your opponents, checking stacks and blinds, etc. And you must be able to carry on with that attitude even when misfortune plays it's hand.
what about poker professionals, who may find times they MUST play? What if at those times they cannot carry the right mindset into the game?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:39 PM
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Memory.

Long when it needs to be long,short when it needs to be short.

And the ability to know the difference.
an elephant is said to have a good memory, but do you think one is capable of building a rocket ship?

Same goes for a poker player: he/she might have a good memory, but does that necessarily mean he has the ability to build a winning poker game?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:40 PM
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understanding that any two cards can win
What about knowing this qualifies this as the mos important attribute for a poker player?

I mean people who are brand new to the game seem to have a complete grasp on this concept already, yet hardly any of them are long term winners, right?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:43 PM
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OK...

I've now commented on every answer here, and poo-poo'ed each for one reason of another.

That does NOT mean these answers are "bad ones". In fact, all the answers here so far appear to be VERY GOOD attributes for poker players to have. In fact I would go so far as to say that if you lack ANY of them, your chances of being a winning player are much lower.

Still...

There DOES exist an attribute, which if held by a poker player, is more important in EVERY situation than any of these...

Any more ideas on what that might be?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:47 PM
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OK...

I've now commented on every answer here, and poo-poo'ed each for one reason of another.

That does NOT mean these answers are "bad ones". In fact, all the answers here so far appear to be VERY GOOD attributes for poker players to have. In fact I would go so far as to say that if you lack ANY of them, your chances of being a winning player are much lower.

Still...

There DOES exist an attribute, which if held by a poker player, is more important in EVERY situation than any of these...

Any more ideas on what that might be?

No,but whatever YOU think it is I'm gonna poo-poo on it just out of GP.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011, 05:52 PM
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No,but whatever YOU think it is I'm gonna poo-poo on it just out of GP.


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