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Hand-Reading Fail, or Just Bad Luck? - Sun Oct 23, 2011, 07:44 PM
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Background: this player appeared to be an "average" TAG player, had typical TAG stats and hadn't done anything warranting my making a note. Until this point, I don't think we had been involved in a sizable pot together, or even squabbled over a small pot; if we had I probably would have noted something about her betting pattern.

Anyway, I confess I didn't think TOO thoroughly about what kind of hand she might have to be getting all in with me. The possibility that she had the other ace, with a better kicker than mine, did cross my mind, but I dismissed it as very improbable with two aces on the board and one in my hand. I thought she probably had a premium pair and was just being stubborn...it's always so hard to know with other micro players, because so many of them will get all in with you holding a big pair, even with an overcard on the board.

I'm posting this hand because actually, this is the 2nd time I've lost a big pot with trips in 2 days. Yesterday it was queens, and I was in the BB with an awful kicker, but again, I considered it improbable that the other player had the other queen.

Should I be more careful when I have trips? I know there is always the danger of a made full house when the board is paired, but I'm trying not to live in fear of that.

Any and all advice is welcome!

 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011, 07:54 PM
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an A with a higher kicker is definitely in their range, so are 55 or 77. Honestly, I was waiting for them to turn either 55 or 77 over. I liked the value bets on the flop and turn but when the opp pushes, I wouldn't like my A with a mediocre kicker as much... but I'd have most likely called it too.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011, 08:24 PM
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I think you should have just shoved the turn or checked for deception/to induce. Your bet sizing is super suspicious. A shove is smaller than the pot size, so it's not an unnatural bet.

Anyhow, no way you can fold such a strong hand on a 21 BB starting stack. Heck top pair on the flop is generally enough to go all the way on that stack.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011, 12:59 PM
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Thanks to you both for your feedback!

Oriholic, I don't know what you mean about my turn bet sizing being super suspicious. Suspicious of what? It was 1/2 the pot. Granted, it was more than 1/2 my stack, but the rest was going in on the river.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ILuvPoker77 View Post
Thanks to you both for your feedback!

Oriholic, I don't know what you mean about my turn bet sizing being super suspicious. Suspicious of what? It was 1/2 the pot. Granted, it was more than 1/2 my stack, but the rest was going in on the river.
It is "suspicious" because it was more than half your stack, and highly committing for you. How can you make that bet then FOLD?

That usually expresses great "strength" to players who are aware, and if you do hold a hand which is "good" in this spot, you are likely only getting BETTER hands to call (or raise), and are folding out worse...

As such, a "suspicious" bet like that by you is really going to telegraph enough info to an opponent that they are MORE likely to make a "correct" move against you.

It should really only be made when you hold a BOAT, and can beat trips A's with any kicker, in HOPES someone with AK/AQ jams over you. I say that because those hands are probably too strong to FOLD, thus they will make a "crying call" of your bet to pay you off. You really do NOT want AQ/AK calling a bet for over half your remaining stack when all you hold is AT...

See?

If you JAM instead of making the 1/2 pot bet for half your stack, you stand a GREATER chance that the jam is mis-interpreted as "weakness", and then pp bigger than the 7 on the board might make a mistake and call.

Against your bet, if I held KK/QQ, I am pretty much insta-mucking, becuase it looks so much more like you are PRAYING I call that "teaser bet", because you hold an Ace.

Last edited by JDean; Mon Oct 24, 2011 at 02:36 PM..
 

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