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Grinding down through the micros! - Wed Oct 26, 2011, 10:16 AM
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I think I have had a bit of a revelation. As to where the micros are grinding down my profits.

Due to my expert spreadsheet modelling I am able to see exactly where my poker wins & losses are coming from, a column for every type of game, every style, every buy in, every format -

45man $0.25 sitngos / 45man $0.50 sitngo Turbos / $2.20SundayStormSatellites / NLHE Cash Full Ring / NLHE Cash PLO8 / $1.50 and $3.50 single table sitngos

and now the latest added column NLHE 6Max $0.01/$0.02, where my edge is as sharp as a pillow.

A pattern is emerging that points to perhaps my biggest leak. I am extremely suggestible. This perhaps leads to too much variety, influenced by the very same thing that has helped me improve my game - training.

Now don't get me wrong, I really enjoy and very much value the training and encouragement we get at PSO, but perhaps each time I see a good live training session or watch an archived video I shouldn't dash off to the tables and try that new game, or take up that new challenge.

Perhaps a more concentrated specialised approach would be better.

However, I do also enjoy the variety of games. Sometimes I just want a quick game and can fit in playing 1/2 to 3/4 hour cash, sometimes I want to concentrate for a couple of hours at a few 45man sitngo, or I might hope to spend an all night session getting deep in a weekend MTT. Sometimes I just need to rack up some VPPs at the Omaha Hi/Lo tables where I know for sure I will get killed if I am not very, very careful.

Any recommendations as to where to go next and where to draw the line? Should I be bothered as long as I am enjoying myself and making the small profits I do, or should I be getting serious about one game and specialising to try to maximise profits?

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 11:00 AM
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2NL 6max cash is super easy to show a small profit. Raise fairly aggressively preflop, and tighten up post-flop - especially against multiple opponents. Bet for value very often, rarely bluff. Ok to c-bet air on flop if it is against 1 opponent and the flop is bad for his range.

NEVER EVER 3 BARREL BLUFF! - Generally agreed upon statement by all. I couldn't help myself sometimes in the past and tried this, it always ends badly. Like some guy (happily)calling down your missed AK with his pair of 2's 10 kicker.

Just play mostly straightforward. If you actually run into an aggressive opponent (most are passive), adjust by check raising more or slowplaying big hands more. Big hand doesn't mean pocket AA, it means like flopped 2pair+.

Whatever game you want to get better at all you have to do is play A LOT more hands and you'll get the hang of it. Try to spend some time away from the tables thinking about your play and some game theory.

GL at the tables.
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 12:02 PM
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I hear you Edinfreeman,

I noticed a simular thing, so now i am doing Cowboy challange and bankroll builder at the same level. And the flixx challage more as a Bankroll management method rather than a grind when i need a change of pace.


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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 12:29 PM
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Best thing to do is find a game you like, and feel you can beat, and play the hell out of it!
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 01:00 PM
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I feel what your saying,thats why I start a challenge to keep me on track and then not even a day later I have switched games.

I bounce around but lately I have found cash is the best option for me. I can play 5 minutes or 2 hours and quit when I want. I still like MTTs but will only play them once in awhile.

Just keep this in mind,what is easy for some is not necessarily easy for others.
I tend to really struggle with SNGs $1 and up and no longer look to play them.
Yet you will see people saying how easy they are and pointing to a graph.
I cant handle the variance that goes along with them and need to see a return like I get from MTTs and Cash. Otherwise I start opening up to much and I would say tilt.

6max may be good for some but not all,listen to your head and not others telling you what is easy.
Have wasted a lot of time and money listening to other people tell me whats good for me.
Kind of a lesson in life as well.
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 01:49 PM
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I just want to say Ed that I really enjoyed your post

You have perfectly described the many of us who plaff around and go exactly nowhere. Like you I sometimes leave live training on a crescendo of I can beat anything: the cruel reality is that I cannot. I am too impatient for MTT and SNGs, I cannot sit for hours on end, maybe get to the money and only play big hands, usually my big hands lose and if everyone played that code the lowest common denominator would be mediocrity.

I like cash and openly admit that my cash game is outlandishly LAG, but overall I win and it funds my meaningless TAG forays into SNGs and MTTs.

I would suggest that anyone that really wants to progress their game beyond the mediocre to spend a few hours and look at the videos of Johannes Strassmann. He is your archetypical German. He says things like " I vill raise here because I fink he is weak", "I have no reads but I will fove bet pre flop" "who is that other guy, oh a pokerstars pro, i fink he is weak and i will 5 bet my Q8 off" , "Zee zhey folded they are weak".

Now this guy is playing $10/20 cash, it is not his usual game at all, and he is crushing it..."AceZack I will fold in a multiway pot, it does not play vell post flop" "78 suited my favourite hand, I raise pre and I raise on the flop everyone folds hahaha I love poker" "9,10 suited is ugly like Doyle Brunson do not play it"

I could go on and on but in four videos this guy did not make a mistake, nothing to do with reads or card values, just unadulterated aggression in the right spots and a willingness to keep continuing in the right spots and the ability to fold when he was beat, absolutely ( and I will let you guess the expletive!!!) amazing!!!

Do you want to grow beyond where you are then watch Johannes Strassmann and learn what poker is all about?!!

Cheers,

TC
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 02:42 PM
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I think I have had a bit of a revelation.

as long as I am enjoying myself and making the profits


Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
this ^^^^^^

i'm sure you are aware that there is big difference between cash games and tournament poker and how the 2 should be approached.

i noticed that you have attained many VPPS(your avatar/silverstar) i'd say your bread butter would be cash games, so stick with it, but do not shy away from tournament poker. play a variant(or as many variants as possible) of cards/cash game where you feel you have an edge against your opponents.


CannonLee

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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 02:45 PM
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**moved**
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 10:16 PM
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I just want to say Ed that I really enjoyed your post

TC
Right back at ya - very much enjoyed your rejoinder.

What I have realised watching many training sessions is, I am not Andy/Chris/Dave/Felix (in alphabetic order so as not to give precedence).

I am the other guy. The one on the other side of the table making the regular mistakes, leaking chips, missing opportunities to chip up, not getting the value, thick or thin, coming 8th in the 45 mans and 4th in the 9 mans, building a decent stack slowly then stacking off with QQ beat by AK that hits, or AK versus QQ that misses.

But I learn a little every day, and forget a little more too. I am a much better player and I enjoy the ride, but I still have to plan a few septagenuarian bank raids to make some real dosh.

Luckily the Salvation Army feed me twice a day - otherwise I really would be struggling.

Good luck all

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011, 10:38 PM
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Due to my expert spreadsheet modelling I am able to see exactly where my poker wins & losses are coming from, a column for every type of game, every style, every buy in, every format -

45man $0.25 sitngos / 45man $0.50 sitngo Turbos / $2.20SundayStormSatellites / NLHE Cash Full Ring / NLHE Cash PLO8 / $1.50 and $3.50 single table sitngos

and now the latest added column NLHE 6Max $0.01/$0.02, where my edge is as sharp as a pillow.
I started doing that a few years ago. It really helped me point out strengths and weaknesses and what I needed to concentrate working on.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011, 05:07 PM
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Thank you Edinfreeman,

As we were watching the member review last night (45 man $1 sit and go) i was thinking i have $100 bankroll i could do this given how bad these guys play.

that would of course be on top of the 25 cent 50 cent and 6 max cash i have going at the moment.....

then i thought of this thread and went maybe i'll wait a bit

Grade b
 

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