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Another for Cowboy's Challenge....Maybe. - Tue Nov 01, 2011, 01:14 AM
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So I've decided I'm going to do Cowboy's Challenge. Couple of obsticles though.

1) I'm growing tired of playing long tournaments just to go out on the bubble. It doesn't happen ALL the time, but often enough that it'll make the challenge too tedious for my feeble mind to stick with. SO..... I've decided I'm going to to single table SNG's. In the $1.50 range. Quick enough for me to not get bored with, and with enough of a payoff if I win, to keep me at it.

So then problem #2. I had a run of what I'd like to call "Bad Luck" on Sunday. In reality it was less bad luck and more bad play, but that's besides the point . Anyway, when I checked out my ever dwindling BankRoll it's seems I'm slightly short of the required 25 buy ins. To do the $1.50 sng's, I would need $37.50. Currently I'm sitting at just over 2 buy in short with $34.03. Lovely.

Since I can't deposit the amount required ($10 min. as I'm sure you're all aware,) And depositing more would lead me to go off and spend it on frivilous things like $2.20 180 man's, I've decided to do the only logical thing...... Start the challenge on my own anyway, unofficially, and try to build the bank roll to a proper amount.

So we begin with $34.03, and after my first go, where the only hand I could seem to make any sort of profit on where the 88's I got twice, I'm down one more buy-in! Oh well, off we go to number 2!!!
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EDIT - And Then A Miricle Happens.

So my second attempt went no better. Out in 8th. So I decide to struggle on and I register for another. And a miricle happens. The spot that tells you your bank roll, where it should read "$31.03" instead reads "$41.03." Ahhh, the great miricle of the BONUS!!!

So now I'm appropriately BankRolled HAZAH!!!!! Sure it's a little over, but if I ever get to a level where those extra 2 buy in's become an issue, then I'm already too far out for it to matter!.
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Wish me luck folks. God knows I need it!

L8r,

Last edited by BandShooter; Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 01:26 AM..
 
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Success!! - Tue Nov 01, 2011, 02:21 AM
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Since: Jun 2011
Posts: 111
SB: $37.50 ($1.50 ST SNG)

Nov. 1**********462788838**********5/9
Nov. 1**********462790042**********1/9*********+$5.95
Nov. 1**********462790055**********6/9
Nov. 1**********462790248**********1/9**********+$5.95

Nov. 1**********462798113**********2/9**********+$2.77 (This was actually a 6-Max that I clicked on by mistake.)
Nov. 1**********462790248**********8/9
Nov. 1**********462799419**********4/9 (Just couldn't let my KK go with that A on board....DOH!!!)
Nov. 1**********462799434**********6/9

Current BR: $40.17

Last edited by BandShooter; Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:17 AM.. Reason: Update.
 
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Tue Nov 01, 2011, 04:49 AM
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Im doing these alot, keep waiting for premium hands is the key, when you go all-in with just pairs there is a big chance you get called by any ace-rag king-rag and lose it all.

out of 100 of these i was 50.5% in the money and i lost aprox 2 dollar on total. still learning these things and spike is a big help in analyzing hands on teamspeak, you should join that.

edit: I went out in 6th place for 18% off the time (thats almost 1 in 5) its one of my leaks
 
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Tue Nov 01, 2011, 11:28 AM
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Thanks for the encouragement Tiber!!!

Ok, first, I realized how confusing it would be to try to compare my challenge with others if I started with a different bankroll number (and how hard it would be to keep track of if I decide to play something other than a challenge tourney from time to time,) So I edited my original starting post to reflect the challenge better.

I've also stolen MEVpaul's colour scheme, because it's good, and I'm a dirty rotten stinkin' thief.

So here's my current updates for today (I think I'm going to keep all the day's challenge tourney's in a single post to keep it easier, so check back here to keep track of the day to day. Oh and my day starts when I wake up until I go to bed, so don't pay too much attention to the ACTUAL date )

So, For today:

Session Start $40.17

Nov. 1**********462909614**********2/9*********+$3.48
Nov. 1**********462909762**********2/9*********+$3.48
Nov. 1**********462975146**********9/9
Nov. 1**********462974938**********7/9
Nov. 1**********462915146**********9/9
Nov. 1**********462975193**********6/9
Nov. 1**********462985250**********5/9
Nov. 1**********462988764**********8/9
*********TIME FOR A BREAK!!!*************

Nov. 1**********463050427**********7/9
Nov. 1**********463056802**********3/9+3KO's**********+$2.75
Nov. 1**********463151952**********9/9
Nov. 1**********463152042**********1/9**********+$5.81
Nov. 1**********463191159**********7/9
Nov. 1**********463191737**********5/9
Nov. 2**********463245784**********9/9
Nov. 2**********463249282**********6/9
Nov. 2**********463247924**********6/9
Nov. 2**********463254155**********8/9
Nov. 2**********463254186**********8/9

Session End $27.19

Last edited by BandShooter; Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:46 AM..
 
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Day 1 Recap - Wed Nov 02, 2011, 01:55 AM
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Since: Jun 2011
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Day 1 Starting BR: $37.50
Total Tournaments: 27
ITM: 7/27
Day 1 Ending BR: $27.19

Was EXTREMELY happy with my resaults today, then reread the challenge rules and realized the goal was to DOUBLE your Bank Roll, not HALF it. My Mistake. I'll have to try and fix that now.

Actually I have come to realize something very important for my play. Table selection will be very important for me. I see now that my real edge in this game is with EXTREMELY NOVICE players. However, if my opponent has enough experience to say, be able to pronounce the word "POKER," then I need to be extremely cautious, as he/she probably has a MAJOR edge on me.

On the lighter side however, I was able to play a WHOLE LOTTA games today. At least that was fun**.

L8r

**Edit: Looked up the definition of the word "Fun." Turns out I was wrong about that one too.
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 02:34 AM
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Band post some key hands in here either via the hand replayer or just copying and pasting the hand histories and we'll be glad to take a look and see if there are some things we can help you plug. We ALL have leaks,discussing hands and letting a fresh pair of eyes see them can help tremendously.
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 08:38 AM
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Thanks Moxie,

So here's the hand that dropped my out of the first tourney of the day. Don't know why I just can't let this garbage go. I put him on his exact hand too. Sheesh.

 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 09:45 AM
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Another hand I'd like and opinion on. I'm currently still in this tourney, and in the Money finally.

 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 11:18 AM
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Mental Note: Before trying to make a move, Check out the stack sizes of the people still to come. Did this with a VPIP of 16%/PFR: 8. hadn't palyed a hand in 2 orbits at least.

 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 11:24 AM
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I put this in my poorly played hands category, even though it made me the chip leader, though short of just folding the damned things I don't know what else I would have done with them. Figured SOMEONE was going to be shoving here.

 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 11:48 AM
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Since: Jun 2011
Posts: 111
Session Start BR:$27.19
Total Touraments Played: 34
Total ITM: 8/34
Session End BR:$20.17

NOV 2**********463343626**********9/9
NOV 2**********463354738**********6/9
NOV 2**********463356807**********2/9**********+3.48
NOV 2**********463383295**********7/9
NOV 2**********463383300**********5/9
NOV 2**********463391275**********8/9
NOV 2**********463395072**********4/9

And Finally, the FINAL hand of the FINAL tournament for me in this Challenge. I may start a new one at a new level, but I need a break after this. (Mind you the Villan on this has a VPIP of over 40, and I've been stealling blinds at about 1.5 per orbit at this point by min raising. It's a tactic I use at this point in most tournaments. Keeps my range balanced as I do it while strong and with some weaker holdings, usually only going to showdown with the stronger ones. The whole idea is to get me into THIS exact position.)

 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 04:05 PM
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ok so i dont want to be a party pooper but 25 buy ins is not the bank roll you need.

you should have 100 buy ins and the challange to commit 25 buys to the challage.

I almost didn't write this as its not important but actuall it is one of the important parts of the whole bankroll building process.

I know this has been debated on other posts so sorry if i'm saying something you guys allready know.


Grade b
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BandShooter View Post
Thanks Moxie,

So here's the hand that dropped my out of the first tourney of the day. Don't know why I just can't let this garbage go. I put him on his exact hand too. Sheesh.


Is 2.5 BB's your standard raise early on in these? I would bump that up to 3BB early and then scale back to 2.2-2.4 later in the tourney.

Otherwise the only nitpick I have here is exactly what you said----When the villain re-raises post flop I knew it was either QQ or KQ,either of which has you crushed. Hard not to go broke on a hand like this really as any fold would be a really strong lay down. So chalk this one up to being coolered. Short of a specific read even if I gave him/her credit for possibly having the QQ or KQ I would have to see it.

So nothing terribly wrong at all here,bump up the pre-flop raise a little to 3BB as your standard would be good.


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Another hand I'd like and opinion on. I'm currently still in this tourney, and in the Money finally.


Really would like to see what the guy in the BB had. Can't believe he didn't fire the barrel on the river,what was he giving you credit for that last J doing? Hitting Quads,lol?

On your part 4 handed I don't mind the Q10o from UTG so much but chasing the gut shot here is a spew. Stop that immediately. It will NEVER pay off as much as it costs you.

I do like your ship on the river actually unless he gave you a read by his timing in how long it took to check that he may be trying to suck you in. Otherwise if he shows weakness like that...well you know that you most likely aren't showing down best here so why not barrel?

But the SINGLE over-arching point of this hand is the chasing the gutshot. That's a no no.


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Mental Note: Before trying to make a move, Check out the stack sizes of the people still to come. Did this with a VPIP of 16%/PFR: 8. hadn't palyed a hand in 2 orbits at least.


Fold this hand. Every time. Period. Don't worry about stack sizes,position whatever. Fold.



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I put this in my poorly played hands category, even though it made me the chip leader, though short of just folding the damned things I don't know what else I would have done with them. Figured SOMEONE was going to be shoving here.


Meh,if you're going to play 55 in this spot,in a one table SNG then the only way I would be playing it is exactly how you did,shove 100% of the time. You have enough equity still that you could induce the table to fold around.

So to me the "how" you played the hans isn't in question,think you nailed that. The "should" you play the hand is the issue. Well given the situation you find yourself in here I can think of one reason NOT to play a small pair like 55 for stacks here,that being that you're UTG.

But I can think of more reasons TO play the hand here,one being that,like I said above you still have enough fold equity to have at least a reasonable chance of the table folding around,that's probably the number one reason to play here actually. But you're also the short stack,you're under 10BB's (just over 8 in fact) and at that point it's time to be willing to get it in and take a possible flip to two overs. If someone wakes up with a bigger pair then you just tip your hat and hope that it's your turn for 10% to shine on you.

I think your play here,given the circumstances,was fine. And a hand like a small pair is ALWAYS going to be a circumstantial hand anyway.

Win or lose I like the play here. Good job.



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Session Start BR:$27.19
Total Touraments Played: 34
Total ITM: 8/34
Session End BR:$20.17

NOV 2**********463343626**********9/9
NOV 2**********463354738**********6/9
NOV 2**********463356807**********2/9**********+3.48
NOV 2**********463383295**********7/9
NOV 2**********463383300**********5/9
NOV 2**********463391275**********8/9
NOV 2**********463395072**********4/9

And Finally, the FINAL hand of the FINAL tournament for me in this Challenge. I may start a new one at a new level, but I need a break after this. (Mind you the Villan on this has a VPIP of over 40, and I've been stealling blinds at about 1.5 per orbit at this point by min raising. It's a tactic I use at this point in most tournaments. Keeps my range balanced as I do it while strong and with some weaker holdings, usually only going to showdown with the stronger ones. The whole idea is to get me into THIS exact position.)


Unless you're up against a fatally passive player here there is no way they're ever raising UTG and then folding to a 3x bet. Bump it up to at least a 4 or 5x bet and be situational cognizant as to effective stack sizes. You're the shorter stack here and there's no way you aren't wanting to play this hand for stacks here. Get it in,your best chance for a call is pre-flop while the villain still like his hand. More times than not here they're going to flop something that they won't want to continue forward so try to get paid off immediately with stacks like these.

The result here is what it is and that's just the way it breaks sometimes but in the future put more pressure on than a 3x bet raise and when the shorter stack just get it in.

Lastly I agree with grade b here---overall BR wise I think you're better stacked right now to probably dial it in a little and hit the .25 games or .50 games. Those are only available in 45 and 90 man games but there is a lot of poker that will play in most micro game situations that you can learn while you earn there.

Good luck moving forward,don't get down on yourself and instead of stopping just dial it down.
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011, 07:27 PM
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Thanks for the detailed review Moxie, I really do appreciate it. Letting everything you had to say sink in, then I'll probably try to attack the smaller stakes.

L8r,
 

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