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WPF Day III - Sun Nov 10, 2002, 06:00 AM
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Friday Nov 1st...

I don't have much in the way of actual poker to
talk about today. This was the $500 NLHE wich
I hope Depraved will tell us something about!
I got knocked out about an hour and a half
into the tourney when I unwisely got all my
money in with QQ vs. AA!! No miracle and I
took the rest of the day off to take pictures
of leaves...

What I am going to pass on are some of the new
rules in effect at this tournament and a couple
of controversial floor decisions.

NEW RULES

1) "When being moved to a new table, you must
put all your chips in a rack." No big deal but it
was surprising how often I saw players bicker
about this. The purpose is to try to prevent folks
from adding or subttracting chips via their pockets.

2) "If your cell phone goes off once, you get a
warning, twice you get a penalty." A product of
technology.

3) "No talking about a hand being currently played,
or a hand previously played, in any way!"
This is the one that seems overboard. They were
interpreting this very rigidly. Although I did not
see actual penalties, people were getting warnings
for very casual remarks that are heard routinely.

FLOOR DECISIONS

NLHE... player in SB says "raise", then proceeds
to put in chips to equal the BB ($50), then tries
to raise $200. BB complains and floor says raise
stands at $50 because that is the minimum possible
and raiser went back to his stack (illegal). While this
is certainly correct according to the written rules,
in Big Bet poker this has traditionally not been enforced,
either in live games or tournaments I have seen.
I think it is the trend to stick more closely to the
exact rule, though.

This was a tough one...

Substantial pot. On the turn, Ten seat bets, One seat calls, everyone
else folds and dealer pushes pot to One seat, who throws
in cards! Ten seat says "Hey! I not only have cards I
have the nut flush!" which he proceeds to turn over.
One seat says he had two pair, which means he had 6 outs
a full house. Dealer now makes another mistake by saying,
"I am splitting the pot" and THEN calling for the floor!
(Chips had been pushed, but not mingled with One seat's
stack)
Floor decision: Since this was so unusual floor says splitting
the pot is right, even though Ten seat was the only one who
actually had cards.
When is a hand over? When is it safe to release your cards?
What if One seat had no possible outs to a winning hand?

That's all for Friday.... Saturday coming up... aloha
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2002, 01:24 PM
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i would have argued that ruling tooth and nail......... seat 10 gets the whole pot, the first player no longer has cards, even if it was the dealers fault, he didnt protect his hand. i never throw my hand in till i have the pot pushed and stacked, then i throw cards in. once his cards hit the muck, the pot goes to the player with cards, even if he had nothing at all for a hand.

jmuzzey
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2002, 01:46 PM
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Huk wrote:

Quote:
3) "No talking about a hand being currently played,
or a hand previously played, in any way!"
This is the one that seems overboard. They were
interpreting this very rigidly. Although I did not
see actual penalties, people were getting warnings
for very casual remarks that are heard routinely.

This seems absurd.

I have not played in that many tournaments, but this seems like a very poorly run event.

Randy
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2002, 02:05 PM
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Suggestion, once you table your hand, keep two fingers ( one on each card) on your hand with the cards in front of you. When the pot has been pushed to you and all other hands mucked, release your cards to the dealer.
Jay, I ain't waitin for you to stack your chips!!!! Give me the damn cards, son !!
The pot goes to the player with a "live" hand. The other player had NO hand to contest the pot with. Doesn't matter how many outs he had, his hand was exactly like those folded pre-flop....DEAD !!

8O

'Goddess
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2002, 02:10 PM
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i didnt mean stack the chips literally, sorry, i pull the pot towards me then hand over my cards. usually in a ring game, i slide my cards in with a tip on top of them, and that tip comes out of the pot which is right in front of me.......... i should have been more specific. sorry goddess, i would never slow the game down to a grinding halt like that.

jmuzzey
 

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