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I've been losing for a week - Sat Nov 05, 2011, 01:55 PM
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Hi, I've been playing poker for 3 months now and am totally frustrated. I lost my initial $100 investment but it was fine since I was learning. But this week has been unbelievable. I try to play TAG, but for example, last week everytime I had A-K I either hit a K-K and someone has A-A or flop comes with all low cards and some hits trips with something like 4-4. Today I was in BB and had A-2, I checked and flop comes 4-3-2, a guy bets low so I call, the turn is a 2 so I raise and guy calls, river is 4 and turns out the guy had A-4, I had trips and he had better! Then other hand I go in with A-K, I raise, guy calls, flop i K-K-J, I raise, he calls, turn is 10, river is something like 4, the guy ends up winning he had A-Q and made a straight beating my K trips. Then I have A-Q, flop is Q-A-4 and someone makes a flush. Most of the time I detect when someone has a better hand, but the point is, everythime I have a great openning hand it turns to s#&$t or someone ends up with a better hand, so I'm constantly loosing more money than I make the previous days. It goes on for so long that it seems to challange probabilities.
What should I do? This has been going on for a week now. If I stop playing for a day and come back it goes over and over again.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 02:22 PM
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get used to it, one of the joys of poker lol it happens to everyone, there is no way to avoid it
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 02:43 PM
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Variance is a merciless you know what and has no rhyme or reason to it. It can be a one day hiccup or a multiple month chasm of despair. Just focus on making correct decisions and play through it. Examine YOUR play after the sessions each time by studying your Hand Histories. I guarantee you that you WILL find mistakes that you made in each session that cost you money. Even in big winning sessions mistakes are made, by ALL of us. Beyond that all you can do is play through it and make sure that you are sufficiently bankrolled to be in the games that you are playing. BR management becomes paramount in importance when going through a bad patch and is often the difference between coming through it more or less intact and going Busto.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 02:54 PM
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I think most of us go through a love/hate relationship with poker.

One thing you can do to help you out is tell us what you play and post some hands.
I will make it a mission to find your leaks and see if I can help.Sometimes its just a matter of playing the wrong game for you.

My experience is different from yours I won a lot to start out and went on a 1 year handing it all back course. If I knew anything about bankroll management I would not be still playing micros.
So consider yourself ahead of most of the pack that never learn anything about Bankroll and how to play.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 04:26 PM
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The poker player learns that sometimes both science and common sense are wrong; that the bumblebee can fly; that, perhaps, one should never trust an expert; that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of by those with an academic bent. ~David Mamet

...in short, stuff happens.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 04:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moxie Pip View Post
Variance is a merciless you know what and has no rhyme or reason to it. It can be a one day hiccup or a multiple month chasm of despair. Just focus on making correct decisions and play through it. Examine YOUR play after the sessions each time by studying your Hand Histories. I guarantee you that you WILL find mistakes that you made in each session that cost you money. Even in big winning sessions mistakes are made, by ALL of us. Beyond that all you can do is play through it and make sure that you are sufficiently bankrolled to be in the games that you are playing. BR management becomes paramount in importance when going through a bad patch and is often the difference between coming through it more or less intact and going Busto.
moxie has touched base on your topic in all aspects.

the game will always be here the following day. just do not let your emotions(tilt/ego) control your bankroll.
getting beat is part of the game, just forget about the beat and move on to the next hand.
study all you can about all the variants of poker, knowledge is gold especially in the long run!

variance is like having a girlfriend, sometimes she can be so nice and at times you can do everything right but everything goes wrong with her, so learn to get along with her mysterious ways, she loves you and she'll take care of you when you are old! lol

GL at the tables m8

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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 05:19 PM
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I've been losing for 5 years welcome to my world. You just gotta keep playing and the luck will turn around. You gotta remember your hand is not gonna win every time! Even when you think your ahead its not always the case.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 05:36 PM
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I have been losing a lot of my games for a few days, but my BR management is in place so it won't really affect me there. It is still not fun though. You are in the right place to get help dealing with it, definitely get some hands analysis done, and review some of the training materials here.

If I am in that kind of rut I tend to leave the real money games and play the freerolls, just to keep my poker head on. Tonight I have even gone back to an astronomer freeroll, to remind me how much worse I used to be, and have some fun playing a game I like but would never play for cash (NL 2-7 single draw).

Just give it some time, make good decisions and the swings will turn round.


Good luck


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thanks - Sat Nov 05, 2011, 05:43 PM
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thanks for all your support guys, first an example of a good hand, I don't think I could have got more money from it:
PokerStars Game #70073552523: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2011/11/05 13:18:43 ET
Table 'Arcturus II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: Mila613 ($0.95 in chips)
Seat 3: cletero ($4.08 in chips)
Seat 4: LGGA ($1.94 in chips)
Seat 5: Zzzzz986 ($1.05 in chips)
Seat 7: diganaev ($0.49 in chips)
Seat 8: zugzug911 ($2.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Godwar79 ($0.88 in chips)
Godwar79: posts small blind $0.01
mauri[SC]: is sitting out
Mila613: posts big blind $0.02
zuzulea: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cletero [Kc Kh]
cletero: raises $0.04 to $0.06
LGGA: folds
Zzzzz986: folds
diganaev: folds
zugzug911: folds
Godwar79: raises $0.14 to $0.20
Mila613: folds
cletero: calls $0.14
*** FLOP *** [8c Qd As]
Godwar79: checks
cletero: checks
*** TURN *** [8c Qd As] [5h]
Godwar79: bets $0.14
cletero: calls $0.14
*** RIVER *** [8c Qd As 5h] [9s]
Godwar79: bets $0.18
cletero: calls $0.18
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Godwar79: shows [Th Ts] (a pair of Tens)
cletero: shows [Kc Kh] (a pair of Kings)
cletero collected $1.01 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.06 | Rake $0.05
Board [8c Qd As 5h 9s]
Seat 2: Mila613 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: cletero showed [Kc Kh] and won ($1.01) with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: LGGA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Zzzzz986 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: diganaev folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: zugzug911 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Godwar79 (small blind) showed [Th Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens
 
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a bad hand example - Sat Nov 05, 2011, 05:44 PM
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Who the heck raises with a pair of 2?? And he kep consistently winning while I was on the table.
*********** # 99 **************
PokerStars Game #70074981920: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2011/11/05 13:45:10 ET
Table 'Arachne V' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: sophia1989hh ($2.02 in chips)
Seat 2: racink ($1.96 in chips)
Seat 3: diego.rko123 ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 4: doisd ($0.59 in chips)
Seat 5: cletero ($3.72 in chips)
Seat 6: Vlad Durov ($0.68 in chips)
Seat 7: stange poker ($1.65 in chips)
Seat 8: crash1700 ($3.48 in chips)
Seat 9: Leandro14PR ($0.79 in chips)
cletero: posts small blind $0.01
Vlad Durov: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cletero [As Kh]
stange poker: folds
crash1700: folds
Leandro14PR: folds
sophia1989hh: folds
racink: folds
diego.rko123: raises $0.04 to $0.06
doisd: folds
cletero: calls $0.05
Vlad Durov: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 3c 3s]
cletero: checks
diego.rko123: bets $0.10
cletero: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [5d 3c 3s] [9h]
cletero: checks
diego.rko123: checks
*** RIVER *** [5d 3c 3s 9h] [4c]
cletero: checks
diego.rko123: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cletero: shows [As Kh] (a pair of Threes)
diego.rko123: shows [2h 2c] (two pair, Threes and Deuces)
diego.rko123 collected $0.33 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.34 | Rake $0.01
Board [5d 3c 3s 9h 4c]
Seat 1: sophia1989hh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: racink folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: diego.rko123 showed [2h 2c] and won ($0.33) with two pair, Threes and Deuces
Seat 4: doisd (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cletero (small blind) showed [As Kh] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: Vlad Durov (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: stange poker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: crash1700 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Leandro14PR folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Last edited by cletero; Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 05:50 PM.. Reason: spelling
 
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this is why I never play small pairs, it always happen - Sat Nov 05, 2011, 05:46 PM
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An overpair will ALWAYS show up:
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PokerStars Game #70075101957: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2011/11/05 13:47:24 ET
Table 'Arachne V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: sophia1989hh ($2.02 in chips)
Seat 2: racink ($1.96 in chips)
Seat 3: diego.rko123 ($2.42 in chips)
Seat 4: doisd ($0.62 in chips)
Seat 5: cletero ($3.56 in chips)
Seat 6: Vlad Durov ($0.65 in chips)
Seat 7: stange poker ($1.63 in chips)
Seat 8: crash1700 ($3.48 in chips)
Seat 9: Leandro14PR ($0.79 in chips)
stange poker: posts small blind $0.01
crash1700: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cletero [8d 8c]
Leandro14PR: raises $0.04 to $0.06
sophia1989hh: folds
racink: folds
diego.rko123: folds
doisd: calls $0.06
cletero: calls $0.06
Vlad Durov: folds
stange poker: folds
crash1700: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h 5h 5s]
Leandro14PR: checks
doisd: bets $0.06
cletero: calls $0.06
Leandro14PR: calls $0.06
*** TURN *** [2h 5h 5s] [Ks]
Leandro14PR: bets $0.12
doisd: folds
cletero: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.12) returned to Leandro14PR
Leandro14PR collected $0.38 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.39 | Rake $0.01
Board [2h 5h 5s Ks]
Seat 1: sophia1989hh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: racink folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: diego.rko123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: doisd folded on the Turn
Seat 5: cletero folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Vlad Durov (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: stange poker (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: crash1700 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Leandro14PR collected ($0.38)

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Another one has a batter hand - Sat Nov 05, 2011, 05:53 PM
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If I have K or Q someone will have an A:
PokerStars Game #70075345152: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2011/11/05 13:51:59 ET
Table 'Arachne V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sophia1989hh ($2 in chips)
Seat 2: racink ($1.74 in chips)
Seat 3: diego.rko123 ($2.49 in chips)
Seat 4: doisd ($0.67 in chips)
Seat 5: cletero ($3.42 in chips)
Seat 6: Vlad Durov ($0.65 in chips)
Seat 7: stange poker ($1.62 in chips)
Seat 8: crash1700 ($3.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Leandro14PR ($1.02 in chips)
diego.rko123: posts small blind $0.01
doisd: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cletero [Ks Qc]
cletero: raises $0.04 to $0.06
Vlad Durov: folds
stange poker: folds
crash1700: folds
Leandro14PR: folds
sophia1989hh: folds
racink: folds
diego.rko123: folds
doisd: raises $0.08 to $0.14
cletero: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [6s Ad Qd]
doisd: checks
cletero: checks
*** TURN *** [6s Ad Qd] [7d]
doisd: bets $0.13
cletero: calls $0.13
*** RIVER *** [6s Ad Qd 7d] [8h]
doisd: bets $0.40 and is all-in
cletero: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.40) returned to doisd
doisd collected $0.53 from pot
doisd: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.55 | Rake $0.02
Board [6s Ad Qd 7d 8h]
Seat 1: sophia1989hh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: racink (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: diego.rko123 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: doisd (big blind) collected ($0.53)
Seat 5: cletero folded on the River
Seat 6: Vlad Durov folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: stange poker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: crash1700 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Leandro14PR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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And finally A-K vs A-A - Sat Nov 05, 2011, 06:00 PM
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I had A-K get a pair of Ks and the other guy ends up having A-A:
*********** # 68 **************
PokerStars Game #70075571173: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2011/11/05 13:56:39 ET
Table 'Brabantia III' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: NewVjatsk ($1.36 in chips)
Seat 2: caiordache ($0.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Forensick666 ($1.01 in chips)
Seat 4: oggggyleker ($2.24 in chips)
Seat 5: arthurmedoff ($1.07 in chips)
Seat 6: PBandJ12 ($1.98 in chips)
Seat 7: Serg25465 ($2.89 in chips)
Seat 9: cletero ($1.55 in chips)
Forensick666: posts small blind $0.01
oggggyleker: posts big blind $0.02
qaraqalpaq: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cletero [Kc Ah]
arthurmedoff: folds
PBandJ12: folds
Serg25465: folds
cletero: raises $0.04 to $0.06
NewVjatsk: folds
caiordache: folds
Forensick666: raises $0.12 to $0.18
oggggyleker: folds
cletero: calls $0.12
*** FLOP *** [3c 8s Ts]
Forensick666: checks
cletero: checks
*** TURN *** [3c 8s Ts] [Kh]
Forensick666: bets $0.27
cletero: calls $0.27 (here I thought he had a pair of Ks, but I had A kicker)
*** RIVER *** [3c 8s Ts Kh] [7c]
Forensick666: bets $0.56 and is all-in (maybe he thought I had A and didn't make the pair)
cletero: calls $0.56 (so I call and loose a bunch of money again)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Forensick666: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
cletero: mucks hand
Forensick666 collected $1.94 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.04 | Rake $0.10
Board [3c 8s Ts Kh 7c]
Seat 1: NewVjatsk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: caiordache (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Forensick666 (small blind) showed [Ad As] and won ($1.94) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: oggggyleker (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: arthurmedoff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: PBandJ12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Serg25465 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cletero mucked [Kc Ah]
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 06:00 PM
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Whoa - slow down Cletero.

You should post these in the Hand Analysis Forum - usually one hand per thread, and then the real experts here will take a look at them.

It also helps if you can load them in replayer so we get the table visuals.

I'm happy to have a look and tell you what I think on these so far, but I'm no expert.

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
 
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Good advice - Sat Nov 05, 2011, 06:02 PM
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Thanks, I will try posting them there, see what they say.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 06:05 PM
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just from a quick view, why are you always giving them credit for a better hand? and stop slowplaying at that level, you raise preflop, hit your card and check... fire back into them again all you are doing is giving them a free card

And as Edin said, post 1 hand at a time in the analysis forum, and they will give you a much better review then I have lol
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 06:11 PM
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First hand

Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 06:12 PM
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One thing I will mention in passing is that players at 2NL are way more aggressive preflop than they are post flop.
So with that first hand I would have raised it to 45-60 cents as he has shown aggression.
This builds the pot and they either feel commited or fold lighter than you expect.

I have bet 2 cents into 50 cent pot on the flop and got folds,it was by accident but it was eye opener.

So build the pot when you have the hand preflop.
 
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I used to be more aggresive - Sat Nov 05, 2011, 06:28 PM
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Posts: 54
Thaks for all your replys, I'm posting this hands (one by one) on the hand analisis forum. I used to be more aggresive, raising on the flop, etc, as you say, but this has gone so long that now I'm just afraid of loosing money on good hands turned bad.
I will make a stop and wait for analisis, maybe it will help get my game back, first months I was aggresive and it went fine but now I seem to have forgot how to play and am just afraid of any hand that comes out. (does he have trips, does he have an A, etc?) Should I keep going even it seems he's got a better hand? I would have lost even more money during these days if I had been more aggressive, since my good hands end up turning to... ·$%&
Thanks again guys.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011, 06:35 PM
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Sorry, this hand was deleted by its ownerSorry, this hand was deleted by its owner

This just happened to me on 0.25 90man its the final table playing tag all the way. aq 1st hand very next jj
 

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