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Something Different !! - Fri Nov 11, 2011, 06:05 AM
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Limper is super loose.
3 better is fairly tight .
this is the 16th hand in the MTT and I had folded every one prior to this one.
I was just sick of folding . Good, Bad, ugly or a donk?????


 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011, 06:16 AM
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lol no comment about the hand, you were bluffing preflop at most.

if you get sick after 16 hands of folding, then i dont recommend MTT's for you. try playing 2-5 hands in the first 1-3 hours.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011, 06:50 AM
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The answer to whether this is a good, bad, ugly, or donk play largely lies within your REASONING for picking this spot for your play...

If the only reason you had was "I am sick of folding", then the play is very weak.

That means you'd probably have been willing to call a 4bet with your cheese hand, and whether that call would be against the loose player or the tight player, or even both, that would be very VERY weak and spew-y.

If you have info which might lead you to suspect that the tight playe is simply raising a medium strong hand (one he is apt to fold to a 3bet) because he feels that holding is probably stronger than the loose raiser's holding, then your play gets a little better.

If you think either player will CALL your 3bet, and then "give up" to a solid C-Bet, then your 3bet gets a LOT better.

xxTberXX is very right when he says you were bluffing pre-flop at most.

The thing about bluffs are that in order to work, they really need to be made based upon the SITUATION. So in large part, the quality of this play is based upon the quality of your read of the situation.

It worked here, exactly as it "should" work, and whether or not you flop top pair the actions you took probably should have stayed exactly the same...

...but that can only be true if you had "read" the situation correctly.

If you did not read the situation for its bluff value, then you probably over played a very weak hand and got away with it.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JDean View Post
The answer to whether this is a good, bad, ugly, or donk play largely lies within your REASONING for picking this spot for your play...
If you did not read the situation for its bluff value, then you probably over played a very weak hand and got away with it.

Thanks JD AND TIBER THIS PLAY WAS SOLEY BASED ON A GUT FEELING. HAD I BEEN 4 BET I WAS OUT OF THERE, IF A ACE HIT THE FLOP I PROB WOULD OF CHECK FOLDED (NOT SURE ABOUT THAT), AS FOR MY C BET I THINK I WOULD OF Played it the same no matter what the flop was. If my C bet was called I hope I would of shut down from there. Just trying to mix it up a bit and collect chips.
As for the cards i had that wasnt a factor in my decision i never planned on getting to show down.
It was only raise or fold from here on in.
My biggest problem is my Little brain says FOLD but my Fingers say hit the raise button.
 
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Sat Nov 12, 2011, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckkky View Post
Thanks JD AND TIBER THIS PLAY WAS SOLEY BASED ON A GUT FEELING. HAD I BEEN 4 BET I WAS OUT OF THERE, IF A ACE HIT THE FLOP I PROB WOULD OF CHECK FOLDED (NOT SURE ABOUT THAT), AS FOR MY C BET I THINK I WOULD OF Played it the same no matter what the flop was. If my C bet was called I hope I would of shut down from there. Just trying to mix it up a bit and collect chips.
As for the cards i had that wasnt a factor in my decision i never planned on getting to show down.
It was only raise or fold from here on in.
My biggest problem is my Little brain says FOLD but my Fingers say hit the raise button.
chuckky, practicing moves like this is a very good thing to do, especially in free rolls or games that are smaller than you normally play.

It takes PRACTICE to pick up the sorts of info that moves bluffs tries out of the realm of "push 'n pray", and into a situational WEAPON that can be wielded at a critical time to powerful effect.

Based on what you put up here about your opponents, this definately looks like you've at least STARTED to get a handle on what a good situation is for a strong bluff shot, and the more you try these moves in your practice times, the better you will tend to become at them.

So overall, good on you!

Keep up the solid work.
 
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Sat Nov 12, 2011, 02:18 AM
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I'm not sure c-betting this particular board is good. You'll never get called by worse and never get better to fold. You could get value from flush draws but there are very few flush draws in his range, mostly when you get called you'll be looking at a K+, and when you're ahead he'll just fold.
 

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