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T8s from SB - What do u think? - Fri Nov 11, 2011, 01:15 PM
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Since: Jul 2010
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Hello Everyone,
Recently played this hand against NaWangTang - 22/18 over 105 hands 7 his Turn cBet 58% (19)

Action folds to me & I decide to steal from SB & he calls & we get a wet flop - however, thinking he is 22/18 and his range would be high broadway cards and at max AT, I bet half pot hitting middle pair & he calls.

Turn a Ts hits and I make 2 pair - I check as now I think he might have called the PF steal with any pair or A7s or A7o or any pair from 66+

he bets 2/3rd pot and I fold. &^%@&%#*!^@*#^!(#

??
  • On flop - was a 2/3rd pot bet more appropriate?
  • Or should I have just folded to his flop 3B on flop - his 3B=8% which includes pairs from 88+
  • Or would a Turn cBet would have been a better line from my side?
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by miiione View Post


Hello Everyone,
Recently played this hand against NaWangTang - 22/18 over 105 hands 7 his Turn cBet 58% (19)

Action folds to me & I decide to steal from SB & he calls & we get a wet flop - however, thinking he is 22/18 and his range would be high broadway cards and at max AT, I bet half pot hitting middle pair & he calls.

Turn a Ts hits and I make 2 pair - I check as now I think he might have called the PF steal with any pair or A7s or A7o or any pair from 66+

he bets 2/3rd pot and I fold. &^%@&%#*!^@*#^!(#

??
  • On flop - was a 2/3rd pot bet more appropriate?
  • Or should I have just folded to his flop 3B on flop - his 3B=8% which includes pairs from 88+
  • Or would a Turn cBet would have been a better line from my side?
Hi miii,

You're misapplying some stats here. First of all 22/18 is an average over all preflop situations. Blind vs. blind he is almost certainly defending looser than this.

Second, his flop action is a raise, not a 3B. You bet (the first bet), and he raised (the 2nd bet). If you raise again, THAT would be a 3 bet. Also 3B% is a preflop stat, it doesn't apply to post flop.

Preflop raise is fine and pretty standard. Flop c-bet is ok, but it depends on this guy's post flop aggression too. If he's super aggro post flop I'd prefer check/calling to induce bluffs from worse rather than c-betting and getting raised. As is when you c-bet and he raises the flop, you're in a really tough spot and this is probably a fold. If you don't improve on the turn (and you usually won't) you'll basically have to check/fold to another barrel being out of position.

As played I would personally call the turn. On the flop he's raising you likely with a draw, 2 pair+, or pair+draw combo type hand. He can have some bluffs and top pair type hands in his range as well. On this turn card, you just drew out an any flopped 2 pair, and are still beating flush draws. 7x just drew out on you, but you will also have outs to fill up as well. If you don't improve and he bets the river, you can fold at that point, but the board is sufficiently scary that he's unlikely to bet the river light after you called twice and a blank river falls. So when you're ahead you will rate to pick up this pot as he'll check down often. Again though how often he barrels the river can dictate this too. This is why folding the flop is usually just best, it's extremely difficult to play these spots well out of position, even when we catch cards that improve us.
 
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Thanks Dave - Fri Nov 11, 2011, 10:45 PM
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Thanks Dave for the review & thanks for correcting my stats. Appreciate it. Gosh.. I still have a very loooong way to go...
 

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