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Jacks - Tue Nov 15, 2011, 06:16 AM
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No reads on this player.
I thought about raising pre flop but once i raise i tend to get over aggresive and can't fold.
So i called to see a flop with all under cards so unless he had a 9 or bigger pocket pair i was good.
He called my flop bet, then turn another under card I cant fold now
Then Whammow I'am gone
Any other options?
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 06:18 AM
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Raiseit pre.

As played, bet flop, ship turn. But just calling pre is a huge mistake.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Puciek View Post
Raiseit pre.

As played, bet flop, ship turn. But just calling pre is a huge mistake.
This Is my problem happened 10minutes earlier.
I know its bad but I cant help it. Must RAISE RAISE RAISE!!!!!!
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 08:13 AM
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i would have played the other way around! raised the first hand and called the second!

preflop the first hand u only have 3 hands in witch u are behind QQ, KK and AA so make him pay for it! and probably after the flop with the 2 hearts if he called u PF i would have made a bigger bet or even shove because he has too overpay his draw.

i don't know the dude but with 15 outs on his side after the flop any heart any queen or any a i probably think he wasn't going anywhere any way even when he is only on a draw.

the other hand after a raise there are more scarecards to consider so on a flop with an A i would tred more carefull
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 08:14 AM
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I don't see the preflop call as being a problem. Frankly if you raise, AQs might ship it and then you call and same result. I don't see why you felt the need to ship it on the turn. The fact is, AQs had 2 over cards and a flush draw on the turn for roughly 30% equity. So a bet of 1/3 - 1/2 the pot leaves you with some chips while you evaluate your next move.

AQ should not have called your bet, there were no odds there, but they may not know what odds are.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 08:23 AM
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I don't see the preflop call as being a problem. Frankly if you raise, AQs might ship it and then you call and same result. I don't see why you felt the need to ship it on the turn. The fact is, AQs had 2 over cards and a flush draw on the turn for roughly 30% equity. So a bet of 1/3 - 1/2 the pot leaves you with some chips while you evaluate your next move.

AQ should not have called your bet, there were no odds there, but they may not know what odds are.
Yea you are unhappy if guy 4-bet ships AQ on you, that makes me so sad i cry a little inside.
And this post is a great showing of why this replayer is just horrible, it shows results. Your whole post is oriented on the result, not actual play.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckkky View Post
This Is my problem happened 10minutes earlier.
I know its bad but I cant help it. Must RAISE RAISE RAISE!!!!!!
No one is really going to mind-coach you here, this is hand evaluation.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 08:38 AM
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well maybe shipping isn't the best thing preflop but i sure as hell would look for more clues! and if he is indeed following his draw just blind of information your doomed any was your playing because he does not know what he is doing.

the only thing i am trying to say here is that with JJ i would probably play more agressive then with 88 just factoring in the strnegt of the hand and the position your playing
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 10:29 AM
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JJ: raise preflop. By just calling, your JJ might as well be 22. If the opp pushes, then I'd call. By letting the opp see the flop (2 overs and needs 1 to a flush), there's no way they are letting go of their hand.
When the flop hits, they've got 2 overs, a 9, 33 or hearts.

88: Don't mind the raise pre (I'd have flatted it), but the push on the flop with an A on the board is not good. You're still real, real early in a tourney, where opps will play any A. Any A on the button will also play and raise a hand folded to them, as they did. Playing 88 this way early will put you on the rail the big majority of the time. Way, way too aggressive with a marginal hand.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 02:30 PM
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JJ: Preflop can either reraise small hoping he 4-bets (snap call). Or jam it in if he's more likely to call than reraise. Definitely getting all the chips in the middle any way I can.

88: This one is really read-based pre. If he's opening anywhere near wide enough you're better off 3-betting as you don't have much in the way of implied odds, and you'll be out of position and too shallow for outplaying postflop to really be an option. Obv. jam any flop as played.
 

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