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JJ - Tue Nov 15, 2011, 09:55 AM
labs22's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 67
Sorry for not using the hand replayer, it was either not working or I was too stupid to use it.
The outcome of the hand is hidden, just click-and-see.
I wasn't too scared of the raise on the flop because I knew that neither CO or LP would have called pre-flop with 98, 96 or T7. They could have called pref with 88 or 99, and that would be pretty scarry. When I played the hand I put CO on TT, 77, or another pair with a draw, bet bet bet...

PokerStars - $0.10+$0.01|600/1200 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: 38,432.00
MP+1: 14,470.00
LP: 50,622.00
CO: 21,960.00
BTN: 4,164.00
SB: 17,328.00
Hero (BB): 54,324.00
UTG: 27,977.00
UTG+1: 18,364.00

MP posts ante 200.00, MP+1 posts ante 200.00, LP posts ante 200.00, CO posts ante 200.00, BTN posts ante 200.00, SB posts ante 200.00, Hero posts ante 200.00, UTG posts ante 200.00, UTG+1 posts ante 200.00, SB posts SB 600.00, Hero posts BB 1,200.00

Pre Flop: (3600.00) Hero has J:spade: J:heart:

fold, fold, fold, fold, LP calls 1,200.00, CO calls 1,200.00, fold, SB calls 600.00, Hero raises to 4,800.00, LP calls 3,600.00, CO calls 3,600.00, fold

Flop: (17400.00, 3 players) 9:spade: 8:heart: 6:club:
Hero bets 14,790.00, LP calls 14,790.00, CO raises to 16,960.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,170.00, LP calls 2,170.00

Turn: (68280.00, 3 players) 2:spade:
Hero bets 32,364.00 and is all-in, LP calls 28,662.00 and is all-in

River: (125604.00, 3 players) A:spade:
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Tue Nov 15, 2011, 10:11 AM
!!!111Dan's Avatar
Since: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,290
Hey Labs, looks like you've been a member for a while now, but welcome to the forum.

Have you watched the video on how to use the replayer? It can be found in the Videos tab up top, then when you see the list of pros, scroll down just a bit to the live trainers and click on The Langolier and look for the vid titled "Hand Replayer and Odds Calculator Instructional Video."
There may be something in the video that you're missing.
Nice looking first post though..very well done.

Last edited by !!!111Dan; Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 12:13 PM.. Reason: wrong title for vid
Tue Nov 15, 2011, 10:55 AM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,862
This looks like the 10 cent turbo tourney. If so, then the opps will be playing alot wider range than in a normal MTT due to how fast the blinds go up.

Reads on the opp would help too. How many pots were they playing? Did they show down any marginal hands? Do they play any 2 suited cards?

I like the raise preflop. You're out of position and want to charge a premium to anyone else in the hand. The CO's range will be larger than the LP player, as the CO has position and can widen their range some due to it.

I also like your flop bet. You've got an overpair and your hand is ahead a big majority of the time here. When LP calls, I'd put them on 2 overs, a set or a straight draw or overpair. The CO pushes, so I'd put them on a set, straight (57s), 2 pair (68 spades), overpair or 2 overcards.

The 2 on the turn shouldn't help either opp (unless they had two spade overcards to the board). Like the bet you made.

River: don't like seeing the ace of spades at all. LP could have two spades higher than a 9 and either could have Ax, with the x being higher than a 9.

You really had 2 choices on how to play the hand, the way you did (which is how I'd have most likely played it) or to shove preflop and try to pick up then. Both ways can be correct, both can be wrong. I'd have played it like you did and cringed when that card came on the river.

P.S. I was having problems with the replayer trying to post a hand last night too.
Tue Nov 15, 2011, 02:49 PM
labs22's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 67
I had little information on them, but there was enough for me to know about LP's fishy stile.
LP played Q3o and J9o before this hand. Q3o he shoved on a Q high board and was called, and won the pot. J9 he bets on a K high flop, hits a 9 on the turn and bets again, bets the river, gets called by a king. The other guy I only saw raising QQ pre-flop, taking the blinds and showing.

Thanks for the advice.

Last edited by labs22; Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 02:56 PM..
Tue Nov 15, 2011, 03:23 PM
oriholic's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 751
Originally Posted by labs22 View Post
wasn't too scared of the raise on the flop because I knew that neither CO or LP would have called pre-flop with 98, 96 or T7. They could have called pref with 88 or 99, and that would be pretty scarry. When I played the hand I put CO on TT, 77, or another pair with a draw, bet bet bet...
Yikes. You're doing some real dangerous stuff here. Putting CO and LP exclusively on hands you beat (and that you barely beat). Most tight players have 98 in their range at least some of the time, and all loose players will. Also 96, 68, T7 are not unlikely to see in the hands of a loose player, particularly if they're suited. Why can he have TT or 77 but not 99, 88, 66?

Anyhow, your decision to stack off was made preflop. By raising you built a big pot and you're never folding an overpair with a PSR of 3. At the same time, he's never folding a pair with an overcard getting 3 to 1. Postflop-wise this is a cooler. Neither of you can fold.

But what if you had just checked your option preflop? Then instead of 17k, the pot would be 5600 and your stack would be about 9x the size of the pot. This would change the dynamics entirely. Would you then be able to get away or at least control the pot a little? (Remember the pot is now about 5600 and you have about 50k behind). With over 40 BBs there is more than one way to play a hand. Also checking super-under-reps your hand so you can get called by lots worse. (Although that didn't seem to be the problem here, haha) Still it's often a good idea to try to keep pots small against the other big stack.
Tue Nov 15, 2011, 04:10 PM
labs22's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 67
I thought first of TT and 77because he called pre-flop, a pocket pair higher than TT would probably have raised. And since there were already a 6 an 8 and a 9 on the board its just less likely that he would be holding other two of the same cards. but of course he could have trips... some times it's just too hard to fold jacks.

Last edited by labs22; Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 04:22 PM..

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