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For those with Trackers - Sat Nov 19, 2011, 03:30 AM
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Was doing my nightly review and noticed something that got me thinking about King rag and Ace rag hands.

I seem to have a bad cutoff for these hands and will look to fix it in the next week.

I have some big losses with A6 and K6 and when I look at hands below that I notice that the losses drop off and above that the profits increase. So I will adjust my cut off point and see if I get a improvement.

So any one else notice a issue with a cutoff point for these two hands Ace rag and King rag?


Think with the Aces its me shoving into the blinds attempting to steal,not sure about the Kings,maybe facing droolers Im not giving them enough respect. Will review more and see what I find.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 03:32 AM
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Hmmm...Now Im really interested. Got looking at my Queens and Jacks and its about the same issue. If I adjust and think about folding anything 6 and lower for rags I might have something.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 03:33 AM
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Should say this is a small sample of 15k hands from 18 mans
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 04:07 AM
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Interesting post
I never had you down as an ace or king ragger
Are they suited or off and what positions are you playing them in
A6-A9 and K9 down are auto mucks for me
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 08:01 AM
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Play money it might be, but I'm of the same mind. If Ace-rag isn't suited, it's an auto fold. As to the King-rag or Queen-rag, those get folded even faster. Will be interesting to see how others consider these hands. Unless my memory is faulty, I don't remember kicking myself too often for missing a winner with those cards.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 09:16 AM
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Hand-- Times-- Win %-- VPIP-- WTSD-- WSD


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ATs --158-- 55.06-- 80.38-- 48.91-- 60--
ATo --495-- 37.17-- 54.75-- 42.44-- 61.64--
A9s --170-- 42.94-- 60-- 44.62-- 44.83--
A9o --490-- 21.43-- 27.55-- 46.39-- 42.22--
A8s --168-- 41.07-- 61.9-- 49.23-- 50--
A8o --516-- 19.57-- 22.29-- 43.96-- 60--
A7s --174-- 33.33-- 50.57-- 37.5-- 50--
A7o --504-- 14.68-- 15.87-- 49.18-- 56.67--
A6s --165-- 32.12-- 52.73-- 37.31-- 56--
A6o --467-- 13.28-- 11.99-- 52.54-- 48.39--
A5s --131-- 31.3-- 51.91-- 49.06-- 46.15--
A5o --517-- 15.67-- 17.21-- 29.51-- 38.89--
A4s --186-- 32.26-- 47.85-- 46.97-- 54.84--


KTs --150-- 39.33-- 58.67-- 41.18-- 42.86
KTo --459-- 27.89-- 37.04-- 44.72-- 54.55
K9s --171-- 30.99-- 49.12-- 46.88-- 26.67
K9o --492-- 17.68-- 21.14-- 48.75-- 48.72
K8s --166-- 16.87-- 23.49-- 40--- 40
K8o --483-- 10.77-- 9.11-- 25.49-- 30.77
K7s --163-- 18.4-- 24.54-- 62.96-- 35.29
K7o --501-- 6.39-- 4.19-- 33.33-- 45.45
K6s --184-- 15.22-- 17.93-- 38.1-- 50
K6o --489-- 6.34-- 3.27-- 20.69-- 50
K5s --133-- 12.03-- 12.03-- 60---- 44.44
K5o --509-- 8.06-- 3.54-- 36.59-- 46.67
K4s --167-- 16.17-- 15.57-- 38.46-- 60
K4o --503-- 6.16-- 2.78-- 33.33-- 72.73

As you can see i do not have quite a drop between A7 and A6 I wonder if the differant stlye of play affects these stats A6s had VPIP of 52% Ekkkk this is only From August which is also when i started taking tips from PSO

Sample size is 54,000 hands

ok for nov Vpip for A6s is 43 % (29/67 times) hmmm i think you found a leak for me I seecookies. After i get back from town i shall investgate more.

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Last edited by Grade b; Sat Nov 19, 2011 at 09:20 AM.. Reason: Chart readability
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 10:47 AM
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Rag sidecard hands are often a fold, they are never an auto fold. DUCY?
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 11:09 AM
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When you do your analysis grade b, make sure to coordinate win % and VPIP/PFR and win rate.

For instance, if you look at your K4o, your VPIP is below your win % when receiving the hand, which indicates to me many of the times you won with it was when you held it in the BB in an unraised pot. Almost 3% of the time you decided to put chips in with it, were you picking good times? You can check this by filtering for K4o as the starting hand and VPIP=True (this is under "more filters" in HEM, not sure about PT), then you'll be seeing just those times you voluntarily put chips in, hopefully mostly raising, and check your win rate in bb/100.

For me there's a big drop off in VPIP below A7o... A2o-A6o my vpip is all 5% or lower, and A7o it's 12.8% and goes up from there. So I filtered A2o-A6o for VPIP = true. The times I'm picking to play these (75-80% of the time for a raise) my won hand % is between 54-67%, but my win rate in bb/100 is negative for all of them. So now a good review for me is where I'm going wrong to screw up the win rate. My guess off the top of my head is that I'm going too far with steals when the opponents hit their hand and don't respond by going away, and/or I'm too stubborn at times when I flop an ace and am beat.

Time to go do my own review. Thanks guys.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 01:11 PM
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Time to go do my own review. Thanks guys.
Took a look at the biggest losses I'm incurring in these spots. The vast majority of them initiate as a steal or 3b resteal in situations that are good for such plays, so no problem there. The problem has been when I've run into a hand, overplaying/over-pressing my steal attempt. It's not something I do frequently but it is a problem I know I've had at times, this review has helped resurface my awareness of the problem, which will help me consciously plug this leak going forward.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 02:57 PM
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Had to reformat my laptop last week, so I was able to get PT3 again small sample size only 2300 hands but my SB VPIP seems way out of wack I played probably 75 6 max hyper turbos maybe that influences it.... any ideas or other glaring weakness you see?

 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 03:00 PM
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Aww crap wrong one lol my positional statistics was saved as an excel file, any idea how to post it?
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 05:16 PM
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Aww crap wrong one lol my positional statistics was saved as an excel file, any idea how to post it?
i copy and paste from excel
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 05:26 PM
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will try that ty
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 05:32 PM
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Ok so looked again at A6s and o and have highest % on button and in 1 seat then SB and BB and when you look at win % too its not too bad. apart from Sb

dang you Sb you continue to Haunt me.

Did you go back and filter by VPIP Iseecookies? If so how does it look now

Thanks to Iseecookies and thelangolier for this
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 05:36 PM
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windows snipping tool
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 10:37 PM
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windows snipping tool
Im confused (again yes i know) your stats show dont have diferrant hand like wot the thread is about!!!

Or if it does sorry (good time to play Grade b heads up)

Grade b
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 11:02 PM
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no you are right, I dont have a big enough sample of them I think to get any answers so I didnt post them the one I wanted to post was the positional stats cause my vpip in the SB is way out there lol
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011, 11:07 PM
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no you are right, I dont have a big enough sample of them I think to get any answers so I didnt post them the one I wanted to post was the positional stats cause my vpip in the SB is way out there lol

anyways here are the AX hands, and some of the amounts are huge cause of a few goofy tourneys I played in... 1 million starting stack

 

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