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Isn't it great when you lose a hand but still end up winning ? - Fri Nov 25, 2011, 05:04 PM
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Isn't it great when you lose a hand but still end up winning ?

PokerStars Game #71129584607: Tournament #470903589, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2011/11/25 16:09:09 ET
Table '470903589 232' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: the_boy_c5 (8353 in chips)
Seat 2: Sebek_1978 (3050 in chips)
Seat 3: mr greenxxx (5268 in chips)
Seat 4: james75111 (9453 in chips)
Seat 5: zaralovac (7160 in chips)
Seat 6: grapjas (36462 in chips)
Seat 7: kasirio (25296 in chips)
Seat 8: csarub (1985 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Bill Curran (17460 in chips)
Seat 10: Hokopinge (3530 in chips)
the_boy_c5: posts the ante 75
Sebek_1978: posts the ante 75
mr greenxxx: posts the ante 75
james75111: posts the ante 75
zaralovac: posts the ante 75
grapjas: posts the ante 75
kasirio: posts the ante 75
csarub: posts the ante 75
Bill Curran: posts the ante 75
Hokopinge: posts the ante 75
kasirio: posts small blind 400
csarub: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bill Curran [Kc Kd]
Bill Curran: calls 800
Hokopinge: raises 800 to 1600
the_boy_c5: raises 6678 to 8278 and is all-in
Sebek_1978: folds
mr greenxxx: folds
james75111: folds
zaralovac: folds
grapjas: folds
kasirio: raises 6678 to 14956
csarub: folds
Bill Curran: raises 2429 to 17385 and is all-in
Hokopinge: calls 1855 and is all-in
kasirio: calls 2429
*** FLOP *** [Qd 2h Td]
*** TURN *** [Qd 2h Td] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 2h Td 2s] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kasirio: shows [7h 7d] (two pair, Sevens and Deuces)
Bill Curran: shows [Kc Kd] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
Bill Curran collected 18214 from side pot-2
the_boy_c5: shows [Jd Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
Bill Curran collected 14469 from side pot-1
Hokopinge: shows [Qh Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Deuces)
Hokopinge collected 15370 from main pot
the_boy_c5 finished the tournament in 248th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 48053 Main pot 15370. Side pot-1 14469. Side pot-2 18214. | Rake 0
Board [Qd 2h Td 2s 9h]
Seat 1: the_boy_c5 showed [Jd Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Deuces
Seat 2: Sebek_1978 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mr greenxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: james75111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: zaralovac folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: grapjas (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kasirio (small blind) showed [7h 7d] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Deuces
Seat 8: csarub (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Bill Curran showed [Kc Kd] and won (32683) with two pair, Kings and Deuces
Seat 10: Hokopinge showed [Qh Qs] and won (15370) with a full house, Queens full of Deuces




 
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Fri Nov 25, 2011, 05:06 PM
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Good job his stack was low. Nice hand
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2011, 05:21 PM
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That worked out very nicely Bill. If you are anything like me, once those chips are in the middle I'm never quite sure which players are in which pot, so it comes as a nice surprise when they shove the big pot back in my direction.

As an aside, with 4 pocket pairs representing almost a third of the ranks in the pack, and five cards to come, you almost expect one of them to hit the set. Anybody know the odds here?

Nice hand Bill - good luck

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2011, 05:34 PM
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Nice result Bill but I gotta ask...why the Hell are you open-limping KK from UTG? Or anywhere for that matter? Come on man,you know better than that.
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2011, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Moxie Pip View Post
Nice result Bill but I gotta ask...why the Hell are you open-limping KK from UTG? Or anywhere for that matter? Come on man,you know better than that.
It's the 10th anniversary freeroll, and most of the players at this table fold whenever I make a substantial bet early.

Whenever I limped, I always got called and quite often raised.

I was hoping that someone or two would raise so I could re-raise.

 
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Fri Nov 25, 2011, 06:57 PM
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As an aside, with 4 pocket pairs representing almost a third of the ranks in the pack, and five cards to come, you almost expect one of them to hit the set. Anybody know the odds here?
Just over 20:1 against
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2011, 07:14 PM
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Just over 20:1 against
That looks high. I was after the odds of any one of the four players hitting one of their two outs for a set.

ie any of the 8 cards in the pack that would complete a set coming by the river.

I don't really do maths but isn't that at least 8 of either 44 or 40 (52 - 8 in hole pairs - 4 on board) or about 1 in 5?

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2011, 08:07 PM
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It's 20:1 against no one hitting a set. So 95% of the time at least 1 of them hits a set.
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2011, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Moxie Pip View Post
Nice result Bill but I gotta ask...why the Hell are you open-limping KK from UTG? Or anywhere for that matter? Come on man,you know better than that.
+1
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 03:50 PM
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*** moved to more appropriate forum section JWK24***
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 04:06 PM
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Im a little lost here. If there are 8 cards in a deck of 44 pre flop,41,40, then dont they each have a roughly 1 in 5 shot at each street to make a set?

Last edited by FLsnookman; Sat Nov 26, 2011 at 04:06 PM.. Reason: brainfart
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 04:15 PM
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with 8 cards out, there are 44 available for the first card (2 can hit a given person's pkt pair). That gives 22-1 odds on the first card that they get a set. If they don't get it there, then it's lowered to 43 cards (1 in 21.5). For the 3rd card, it's 2 of 42 (21 to 1)... for the 4th it's 2 of 41 (1 in 20.5).. for river, it's 2 of 40 (20 to 1).
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 04:23 PM
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Do the odds not change when 4 people have a 20(give or take) percent chance? I guess im asking is are the odds when youre playing supposed to be calculated individually or for the table as whole? I mean if you are there you have a 20 percent chance of someone else getting the set three times?
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 04:29 PM
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with 3 opps out there with sets, it's really 3 in ?? for each street if you look at it for the whole table.

ex: on river only, it's 1 in 20... so with 3 opps trying for it, it's 3 in 20 that one of them hits.
 

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