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any ideas - Sat Nov 26, 2011, 03:21 AM
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PokerStars Game #71150553946: Tournament #462419986, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level V (60/120) - 2011/11/26 2:44:04 ET
Table '462419986 6' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sascha788 (11210 in chips)
Seat 2: ZIKO459 (5144 in chips)
Seat 3: lachen128 (3778 in chips)
Seat 4: frasierbeams (2119 in chips)
Seat 5: CorkiePoker (5280 in chips)
Seat 6: paoboi (2257 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: peterace (1447 in chips)
Seat 9: l_Saint333_l (3687 in chips)
sascha788: posts the ante 10
ZIKO459: posts the ante 10
lachen128: posts the ante 10
frasierbeams: posts the ante 10
CorkiePoker: posts the ante 10
paoboi: posts the ante 10
peterace: posts the ante 10
l_Saint333_l: posts the ante 10
lachen128: posts small blind 60
frasierbeams: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to frasierbeams [9s 9d]
paoboi is disconnected
CorkiePoker: folds
paoboi: folds
peterace: folds
paoboi is connected
paoboi has returned
l_Saint333_l: raises 169 to 289
sascha788: folds
ZIKO459: folds
lachen128: folds
frasierbeams: calls 169
*** FLOP *** [3s Kd 9c]
frasierbeams: checks
l_Saint333_l: checks
*** TURN *** [3s Kd 9c] [Ad]
frasierbeams: checks
l_Saint333_l: bets 360
frasierbeams: raises 1150 to 1510
l_Saint333_l: raises 1878 to 3388 and is all-in
frasierbeams: calls 310 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1568) returned to l_Saint333_l
*** RIVER *** [3s Kd 9c Ad] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
frasierbeams: shows [9s 9d] (three of a kind, Nines)
l_Saint333_l: shows [Kh Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
l_Saint333_l said, "nh"
l_Saint333_l collected 4358 from pot
frasierbeams finished the tournament in 120th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4358 | Rake 0
Board [3s Kd 9c Ad 4h]
Seat 1: sascha788 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ZIKO459 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: lachen128 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: frasierbeams (big blind) showed [9s 9d] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: CorkiePoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: paoboi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: peterace folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: l_Saint333_l showed [Kh Kc] and won (4358) with three of a kind, Kings
PokerStars Game #71140948143: Tournament #462419985, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2011/11/25 20:03:08 ET
Table '462419985 10' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: wolfguy23 (5300 in chips)
Seat 3: skailanejikl (2460 in chips)
Seat 4: del1962 (2180 in chips)
Seat 5: danico7777 (2480 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Fun Bot (2620 in chips)
Seat 7: flacowin123 (2460 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: frasierbeams (2500 in chips)
Seat 9: as'rodriguez (2500 in chips)
flacowin123: posts small blind 20
frasierbeams: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to frasierbeams [Ah Ad]
as'rodriguez: folds
danico7777 has returned
wolfguy23: calls 40
skailanejikl: calls 40
del1962: folds
danico7777: folds
flacowin123 has returned
Fun Bot: folds
flacowin123: calls 20
frasierbeams: raises 240 to 280
wolfguy23: calls 240
skailanejikl: folds
flacowin123: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3c 2d]
frasierbeams: bets 512
wolfguy23: raises 512 to 1024
frasierbeams: raises 1196 to 2220 and is all-in
wolfguy23: calls 1196
*** TURN *** [Qd 3c 2d] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 3c 2d Ts] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
frasierbeams: shows [Ah Ad] (a pair of Aces)
wolfguy23: shows [Tc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
wolfguy23 collected 5080 from pot
frasierbeams finished the tournament in 191st place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5080 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 3c 2d Ts Kd]
Seat 1: wolfguy23 showed [Tc Qs] and won (5080) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 3: skailanejikl folded before Flop
Seat 4: del1962 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: danico7777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Fun Bot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: flacowin123 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: frasierbeams (big blind) showed [Ah Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: as'rodriguez folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 04:31 AM
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Here ya go...



Analysis to follow...
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 05:13 AM
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With a lttle over 16BB behind your post, you cannot really afford to flat call a raise to set mine.
You will only hit a set about 1 time in 8.5, and with the vast majority of flops coming of the time with at least 1 over card when you do not flop a set, you are looking at check/folding about 10% of your stack OR jamming with a hand which might be beaten. Plase note: ANY sort of bet you might make on the flop, or any type of CALL you might make of a flop bet by the villain, will tend to have you so deeply invested that you should be thinking All in or fold on the flop anyway...see?

When you are in the blinds you generally do NOT want to be "defending" those blinds with calls. A Call does not give you any other way to win the hand except by holding the best. Often enough 99 will not be the best hand on the flop, OR it will tend to see enough threats to it being the best that you may be un-willing to continue.

The thing you have to consider on a short stack like this is that you cannot afford to make a mistake of folding the best hand.

Also, while you cannot fold what is the best hand, you also must seek to prevent the opponent from being able to fold when you hold the best hand (if possible).

Example:

If you are facing AK you NEED the race to double up if you can get it to give you max chance to run deep.

What you cannot really afford is to have is a flop come T high, and have that AK fold to a shove by you, see?

Sure, you ADD some small amount of chips to your stack, but you need MORE than that to really increase your run deep chances.

Also, you cannot afford any longer to fold off 10% or so of your stack if there is ANY chance of you holding the best hand. If the flop comes 6 3 J rainbow, that might happen, right?

Together, these things mean that you must be thinking only of folding (only if the villain is extremely tight), or going all in pre flop.

Moving on...

As played, you do get lucky and flop your set.

On this dry board there is no real reason to clue the villain in to how strong you are, and even against normal aggresison you can probably expect a C-Bet often enough that checking your set is fine. You are certainly "going for it" after flopping the set, because if you are NOT willing to do so, why pay anything extra to see the flop, right?

When the villain checks behind though, chances are good he probably does not have much of a hand (yet).

A check on the Ace appearing is not really bad either, because as played that looks a lot like you have some sort of small pair. Even if the villain checked the K, it is very un-likely he can let that A come and not bet; by not leading there you are giving him that chance.

When he does bet, I like your raise over him too. The act of leaving a little bit in your stack behind may well be reason nenough for him to think you are on some kind of marginal Ace, and put you in, whereas had you bet it all if HE is on a marginal A he might be able to find a fold.

He does put you in, and you call (of course).
He roll over KK and you lose to a better set.

There is nothing you can really do about situations like that in a tourney type game, UNLESS you are on extremely EXTREMELY deep money (and even then folding flopped 2nd set on a dry board is going to be tough). If, however, this opponent was SO TIGHT that he is likey to play only AA/KK/QQ, then folding pre is probably a better option...of course THOSE players are so rare as to really not be much of a consideration.

Except for the pre flop decision, I think you played this just fine.

Bad luck.

Last edited by JDean; Sat Nov 26, 2011 at 05:27 AM..
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 05:15 AM
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 05:21 AM
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Nothing at ALL wrong in the 2nd hand.

You played it exactly as you should, you got the money in as a big favorite, and the opponent just got lucky. This too happens...

You just have to accept the fact that someone with 5 outs is going to run you down a little bit over 1 time in 5 (~21.5% of the time), and this was just one of those 5 times.

You also have to recognize that an opponent who has little enough clue about hand values, and opponent ranges to be calling a solid raise from the BB while in EP holding a hand like QTo, is also quite likely a player who is never folding top pair when he flops it too. THAT means he WILL run you down the absolute maximum number of times he can...

In the long run, a player willing to make these kinds of MISTAKES against you will reward you with a healthy profit. If profit is what you are after, in some weird way that means you WANT to be seeing beats like these.

Seeing 'em means YOU are doing things correctly.

Good job.
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011, 03:40 PM
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I would shove 99 over the raiser on these stacks unless the opener is a nit. JD is right calling is bad on your stack size, you do not have proper odds to set mine and you will not be able to play this well post flop oop when you don't hit a set.
 

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