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-25 roi - Mon Nov 28, 2011, 05:03 AM
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-25 roi was -50 roi does mean im improving?
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011, 05:08 AM
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Depends:

If you have a -50 ROI in October and a -25 ROI in November, your still losing money.

If you have a -50 ROI in October and a -25 ROI in October+November, you have problaby made some money.
 
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thx - Mon Nov 28, 2011, 05:13 AM
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ok thx didnt come back to pokerstars until saturday gone so not sure been off for months and think i know what it means now you explained that oct and november
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011, 05:23 AM
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Hi bro
ROI= return on investment so in the minus is not good bro
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011, 05:31 AM
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In short, yes!

But don't read too much into these stats. They can vary depending on whether to you like to vary your tournament buy-in or if you stick to a fixed buy-in.

For example, I play exclusively $1 tournaments at the moment. I'll play 100 of these and then I'll evaluate my stats.

I could cash in a lot of these and it would show a positive ROI.

Now say I decide to enter an $11 dollar tournament and bust out early. This could have a very negative effect on my ROI and maybe throw me into a negative figure.

Personally what I find these stats useful for is to set myself a challenge. At the start of the month I'll decide what buy-in my bankroll can afford. I'll make a note of my ROI and then play 100 games at my chosen buy-in. Once the 100 games are completed I'll take a look at my stats and hopefully there will be improvement.

A lot of members here take part in what's called the 'Cowboys Challenge' and I'd highly recommend it. In the challenge everyone starts off with 25 buy-ins, so at the .25c level 25 buy-ins equates to $6.25. We keep playing til' we reach 100 games or we hit bust on our $6.25 starting balance. It teaches discipline and good bankroll management. Here's a link to what the challenge is all about.

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...s-Challenge%21

It's helped me improve my ranking from 64% to 91% in just 2 months so it can't be all bad.

Raiser
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011, 07:28 AM
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For example:

you lose 9 games of 1 dollar = ROI -100%
you win 1 game of 10 dollar and you get 20 dollar = ROI 100%

Because that last game is only 1 out of 10 your final ROI will be -90%
But you lost 9 dollar and won 10 dollars so you will make 1 dollar with a ROI of -90%

Its better to look at your profits then at your ROI
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by XxTiberxX View Post
For example:

you lose 9 games of 1 dollar = ROI -100%
you win 1 game of 10 dollar and you get 20 dollar = ROI 100%

Because that last game is only 1 out of 10 your final ROI will be -90%
But you lost 9 dollar and won 10 dollars so you will make 1 dollar with a ROI of -90%

Its better to look at your profits then at your ROI

Uh,no.

The way the third line of your statement here reads Tiber---"because that last game is 1 out of 10..." if you mean the player only cashed in 1 out of 10 plays that ITM--In The Money percentage,not ROI. Plus I think your ROI calculations here are off,hard to say for sure because it's kind of confusing to read the way you laid it out.

Look all it's real simple,ROI means exactly what is says it does--Return On Investment.

Here's the formula...

$ Won-Buy In/Buy In X 100 = ROI

I'll use my OPR results as listed for an example:

I played 572 rated MTT's and SNG's at an average buy-in of $0.22 for $125.84 invested,round up to $126. I won $191 so 191-126 was my profit--$65. So $65/$126=0.51587X 100= 51.58 or +52%,as OPR has me listed.

Here it is again---$191($ won) - $126($ invested)= $65(profit)/$126 ($ invested again) X 100 = 51.587 52 when rounded up

Last edited by Moxie Pip; Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 01:43 PM..
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011, 01:53 PM
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-25 roi was -50 roi does mean im improving?

If this is your overall ROI% for all the plays that are being measured by whatever tracking platform you are consulting for this number (OPR, a downloaded tracker like PT3 or HEM,or your own notes for 3 examples...) then,YES,this is a step in the right direction.

-50% ROI means that you are losing 50 cents of every dollar invested,-25% ROI means that you are losing 25 cents of every dollar invested. Or to flip it the other way the minus 50% number means that for every dollar invested you are only getting 50 cents of it back and the -25% means that for every dollar invested you are getting 75 cents of it back. Got it?

Simplest rule of thumb is this---if you have a negative symbol in front of your ROI number the smaller the number is the better. If you have a plus symbol in front of your ROI number the higher the number the better. And a ROI of zero means you are slam-bang break even.
 

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