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On-Line or Brick and Morter - Thu Dec 01, 2011, 05:01 PM
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So I have only played once in a casino.

Honestly i thought i would be bored stiff as i rarely play less than two tables and i hear the speed is much faster. I wasn't played two sessions 6 hours and 2.5ish it was great had a blast.

So What do you prefer and why?

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Thu Dec 01, 2011, 06:05 PM
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So I have only played once in a casino.

and i hear the speed is much faster.
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Online play is a lot faster per table. An excellent dealer at a casino does between 33 and 35 hands an hour. Most are closer to 30 hands an hour. You'll find your online play rate is in excess of 40 hands per hour on ring.

That said, I enjoy both and whenever I can, I like the change of pace live play offers.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011, 06:35 PM
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Online play is a lot faster per table. An excellent dealer at a casino does between 33 and 35 hands an hour. Most are closer to 30 hands an hour. You'll find your online play rate is in excess of 40 hands per hour on ring.

That said, I enjoy both and whenever I can, I like the change of pace live play offers.

I prefer going to a B&M,but living in Baltimore my closest casino options are in Charleston,WV and Atlantic City,NJ.Neither of these is close enough to be a "spur of the moment" trip,which if we had a full-service casino in downtown Baltimore,with a poker room,would be a different story.

So the biggest advantage of on-line poker is the ability to be able to punch up any game you want whenever you want without leaving home. If your dumbazz government doesn't eff it up for you that is.

Cairn I quoted your post just to point something out. I know you know the hands per-hour rate live better than I do but dude you are way,way off for on-line. Have noticed this before. Go to the ring table lobby right now,or any time you feel like. Think you'll generally see Full Ring tables hands per hour rates are more like 60-75 per hour. And there are as many 6 max tables dealing 100 hands per hour as not. Hell even the Stud games see well more than 40-some odd hands per hour.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011, 07:06 PM
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Online, due to the frequency of tourneys and the micro stakes.

Live, due to being able to read opps better live. Always good to have cards in your hands too, not just always looking at a computer screen.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011, 07:45 PM
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IMHO they are 2 totally different things. Online you play the cards and live you play the people.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011, 08:36 PM
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I enjoy both. Online is available 24/7. B&M is at least 40 minutes away, but I like the feel of cards in my hands and love the feel of pulling in a pot full of chips. Hands per hour don't matter to me.

Distraction is my big problem - online it's TV and web surfing - usually both at the same time. In the B&M's it's the big screen TV's and the people coming and going.

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Thu Dec 01, 2011, 11:15 PM
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Online, but I've never played live. I love being able to play poker in my jammies, with my coffee or other beverage (think Drunk Tank) in reach. Also, I'm a smoker, and smoking isn't allowed at any of the casinos here (or anywhere else for that matter).

I'll probably try live sooner or later, was going to enter a local bar tourney on Sunday, but my online shedule got too busy (all the 10th Anniversary promotions). It's hard to beat the comfort of plaing in your own home!!

 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011, 12:40 AM
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Online, but I've never played live. I love being able to play poker in my jammies, with my coffee or other beverage (think Drunk Tank) in reach. Also, I'm a smoker, and smoking isn't allowed at any of the casinos here (or anywhere else for that matter).

I'll probably try live sooner or later, was going to enter a local bar tourney on Sunday, but my online shedule got too busy (all the 10th Anniversary promotions). It's hard to beat the comfort of plaing in your own home!!

Ekk i don't own any Jammies.... but do have a wine glass around here somewhere....

On the flip side i liked the live play, i didnt notice the speed which is one thing i really thought i would. I did enjoy trying to pigeonhole players. Fit and fold , reg, collage guy getting blasted, and what the heck are you doing guy were a few categories i came up with.


Tip for those of you trying..

Learn from my mistake.
i played Saturday during day 1-7pm

we went for a meal checked into hotel then at 11 i went back as this was only time i have even been and didn't want to think i "missed out"

I waited for 2 hours to play - adrenalin defo wore off by then, Played far too loose for the table i was at lost $60 before i quit after 1 1/2 hours.

Do i regret it, no it was still fun,but not really putting me in best position to win.

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Fri Dec 02, 2011, 08:37 AM
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I would like to play live for once, closest drive is 40 minutes I think, but here it is very limited. And I dont want to go alone the first time, nobody here plays poker like I do so its kind of a no go
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011, 10:13 AM
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Very interesting this thread popped up right now. Last night and today I was actually considering going to the nearest casino to play some 200NL live. I've never played in a casino before, but the way I look at it, if I want to play poker again I either need to play live or move outside the USA. I would really prefer to play online though, as I believe I can make three times the profit with half the bankroll. I mean seriously, to be properly bankrolled to play the lowest NL stake live takes around $2000 - $4000! I feel like the bankroll requirements can be a little looser at 200NL live due to the low skill level encountered. Variance swings shouldn't hurt as bad as there should be plenty of easy money to be made (I hope?).

Want to give a shout out to Moxie, I'm chillen down here in Annapolis! Sadly, it is atleast an hour and a half to the closest casino (charlestown slots WV or one of the DE casinos).

When I woke up this morning the first thing I was actually thinking about was if I wanted to give a casino a try tonight. The biggest problem I currently face is that I will be spending atleast $30 in travel expenses every night I want to play. If I am able to average $10 - $15 an hour at the tables, I'll be lucky to make $5 - $10 an hour after expenses. I have come to the conclusion that making $5 an hour at the end of the night would still be ok for me. It would allow me to gain some much needed live experience and also to work on my skill in general during the online poker ban. Also, if I were to show great results after hundreds of hours of playing the possibility of playing live semi-professionally could open up for me. Still though, I'd take online poker over brick and mortar in a heartbeat if I could.

I can't wait to be in a live hand and see someone make a big sigh, drop their shoulders, and the announce a large 3-bet. They might as well just flip their cards over while their at it! I feel like I don't need tells to be profitable in a live game(being raised as an online player), but it sure will help. It is damn funny too when people are that obvious.

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Fri Dec 02, 2011, 10:41 AM
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When I lived in NZ a couple of years ago, the town I was in had loads of pubs that held NL poker freeroll tourneys on their quieter mid week nights.

Generally they were multi table, usually 3 or 4 tables depending on how many showed up. (The biggest I played was around 50 players) Free entry, and top 2 or 3 would get a bar tab as the prize (e.g. $30 for first, $10 for second). I guess it worked for the pub since us entrants spent so much on beers while we played they could easily cover the cost of prizes.

I really enjoyed those games, good mix of fish and also better more serious players (although interestingly no shove monkeys, standard on average def better than your average stars freeroll), plus very social, you met a lot of nice people and had some good banter while playing.

Since I've been back in the UK I've not found anywhere that holds games like that, it's a shame, I miss it.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011, 06:10 PM
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I would like to play live for once, closest drive is 40 minutes I think, but here it is very limited. And I dont want to go alone the first time, nobody here plays poker like I do so its kind of a no go
I too was not keen to go alone, so a buddy that I play with live agreed to "take me" the first time. We had to sign up on the wait list for a table and ended up sitting at different tables. Probably a good idea - take money from other players, not your friend. Glad the tables are big, cause my knees were knocking like crazy. People were probably wondering why the table was shaking.

It did not take long to get into the swing of things.

Tiber, take the drive. The staff will be very helpful. Make a few mistakes or ask a few dumb questions at the table and everyone will take you for a newbie/fish and will not suspect that you are an online pro. That will set up the perfect table image, and you can then you can rake in all their chips.

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Fri Dec 02, 2011, 06:24 PM
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I know the british Legion in Horley was running Wed night poker tournies at least for a while (my home town before we moved to canada.) of course they waited till we moved to start.

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Fri Dec 02, 2011, 06:32 PM
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I know the british Legion in Horley was running Wed night poker tournies at least for a while (my home town before we moved to canada.) of course they waited till we moved to start.

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Yeah I did some research online and there do seem to be some leagues and games organised in various different pubs, they've just never been anywhere near where I live
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2011, 10:22 AM
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Ok so I actually did go to a casino for the first time ever last night. Delaware Park Casino. Played 1/2 NL with $200 stack. Dropped $300 (1.5 buyins) by the end of the night, around 4 hours of play. I ran epicly bad, and the guy 2 seats to my right was running epicly hot.

After this experience I can say a few things regarding online and brick&mortar. Personally, I prefer online poker hugely over live. The one thing about live that I liked a lot was that it was very interesting. Much more so than online. More social too. That all I can say good about it however. For me there was a lot of bad. I am a six max player and I wasn't able to adjust to the full ring game. Between that and the slow pace of the game making me impatient, I was making mistakes. The bankroll requirements are too high for me as well. $2000 - $4000 to play 1/2 NL sucks. But there are no micro stakes since anything lower than 1/2 simply won't make anyone money.

I'd only go back to the brick&mortar again if I was much wealthier than I currently am and I felt like being entertained. I don't really view live poker as a viable money making option, atleast not when it takes 1.5 hours to drive there and $30 in travel costs (gas+ 2 tolls).

Oh yeah, and the 1/2 NL is not as soft as everyone makes them out to be. Atleast not at the table I was at. Overall there was plently of mistakes being made by people, but things were much more loose aggressive than I anticipated. I feel like if I ever actually flopped a strong hand last night I would have been paid off big for it though. So I guess super tight-agressive is the way to go...

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Sat Dec 03, 2011, 01:40 PM
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Hey, Rocker, sorry to hear your first ever live casino event was a downer. Dropping $300 on your first trip is bound to give you a sour taste for the live game. However, you are right, there are lots of mistakes being made in live games and if your cards had been running good you might have been able to capitalize on some of those errors.

The long trip and expenses certainly add to your unfortunate experience.

Hope you recover your losses here online - as long as I am not at the same table.

Herk
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2011, 09:36 AM
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... I don't really view live poker as a viable money making option, atleast not when it takes 1.5 hours to drive there and $30 in travel costs (gas+ 2 tolls).
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Just to be clear, I'm a winning player at 2NL and 5NL pre-Black Friday and I think 1/2NL live is definitaly beatable long term. It wasn't as easy for me as I thought going in, but most of the people at the table were making obvious mistakes all night long. To me the skill level of live poker isn't the problem, it is the bankroll management. I would only feel 'very comfortable' if I had $4000 set aside just for poker. That is the minimum limit at the casino too... the bankroll requirements skyrocket up from there.

Thanks Herk, I am confident I will win the money back online.... someday. My first experience did kind of leave a sour taste for live, but I understand poker and variance enough to not let it bother me too much. The worst downswing of luck I had online was -5.5 buyins so ending a night down -1.5 buyins wasn't totally unexpected. Still though, not going back until I can set aside a proper bankroll and don't have to drive more than 30 minutes to get there.
 

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