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big $11 - Tue Dec 06, 2011, 03:43 PM
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What should i have done?

Call turn then fold riverbet?

3-bet shove the flop which I did hoping he would fold because of his small c-bet. I thought he missed the flop. * After the result I think this is wrong but if I hit I made the great decision.

call turn call river if miss?

What is +EV? What is the best play which will benefit me in the long run?

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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 03:46 PM
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What is +EV? What is the best play which will benefit me in the long run?
Having at least stats on your opponents (i guess the horror of reads is beyond reach)
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 03:51 PM
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 03:54 PM
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Having at least stats on your opponents (i guess the horror of reads is beyond reach)

speaking of stats

i want to improve my game, do you think it's a must to have that?

one time i tried using it too much that i just rely on that

now i just focus on playing one table and really looking at opponents move but the problem with mtt's is you onstantly beng move.

what is the best hud and what is allowed?
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 03:57 PM
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speaking of stats

i want to improve my game, do you think it's a must to have that?

one time i tried using it too much that i just rely on that

now i just focus on playing one table and really looking at opponents move but the problem with mtt's is you onstantly beng move.

what is the best hud and what is allowed?
So where are those supposed reads? I only see guesses and hopes.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 03:59 PM
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auto-muck preflop! You've got a suited, bad hand, out of position and should not be in the hand to start with.

on the flop: calling is ok, as you do have a flush draw. A shove is really bad. You have Q high against a preflop raiser that continuation bet.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 03:59 PM
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should have folded to his initial raise
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:02 PM
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Insta fold preflop. Reads or not your behind a random hand here
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:03 PM
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Fold preflop.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:05 PM
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Insta fold preflop. Reads or not your behind a random hand here
So what? Poker is not about cards and this guy obviously got mad reads on his opponent. I wanna hear about those
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:05 PM
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auto-muck preflop! You've got a suited, bad hand, out of position and should not be in the hand to start with.

on the flop: calling is ok, as you do have a flush draw. A shove is really bad. You have Q high against a preflop raiser that continuation bet.

thank you, your right should have fold Pre so that it will not to put me in a bad situation.

or just call then fold

why did i shove so stupid,, never to make the same stupid mistake again ever

now i know because im a donkey or a fish
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:06 PM
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should have folded to his initial raise

your right should have done that

or the least just call one more bet then fold if miss

thank you roomik
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:07 PM
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So where are those supposed reads? I only see guesses and hopes.
i don't have hud

i'm just asking what is the best hud and hud that is allowed
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:14 PM
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So what? Poker is not about cards and this guy obviously got mad reads on his opponent. I wanna hear about those

i got reads i know that he will c-bet most of time and maybe he would fold his AK AQ in this position

bad for me he got the rockets

good for me i still got draws

bad for me i didn't hit

but wait Mr. Phil Hellmuth push all in 3 times at WSOP for his Flush Draws which he missed it all. I thinik the pros do it. I might onsidering doing it

so for you you think my hand is playable considering im in the Big Blind position i will add 180 to win 700
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:14 PM
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* After the result I think this is wrong but if I hit I made the great descision
Umm no! thats not how it works bro. Long term, good results come from good descisions, not terrible descisions that got lucky....
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:17 PM
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i agree with folding pre,

as played I wouldn't have check raised allin on the flop because you are likely to be behind needing to improve to win, better to call and hope to hit your flush, fold turn if you miss.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 04:21 PM
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i got reads i know that he will c-bet most of time and maybe he would fold his AK AQ in this position

bad for me he got the rockets

good for me i still got draws

bad for me i didn't hit

but wait Mr. Phil Hellmuth push all in 3 times at WSOP for his Flush Draws which he missed it all. I thinik the pros do it. I might onsidering doing it

so for you you think my hand is playable considering im in the Big Blind position i will add 180 to win 700
This will be fun...

What does it mean most of the time? How often does he c-bet when he misses? How often when he hits? And how much does he cbet when hits and misses?
What is his open range from MP? How often will he fold to 3-bet? How often will he follow c-bet with 2nd barrel? How does he play his draws? How does he play his made hands on dry board? What about wet board? How often does he change his made hands into bluffs on later streets?

And this is just beginning of the list. If you want to play like a pro, start with learning the basics, not just random copying.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 05:48 PM
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phew

that was a lot puciek

i think i really need to learn more

not just shoving like a donk for flush draw.

not just copying a move by Mr. Brat himself which failed him three times.

thank you puciek i learned a lot from you

love this hand analysis forum
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 05:51 PM
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Umm no! thats not how it works bro. Long term, good results come from good descisions, not terrible descisions that got lucky....

agree

thank you
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011, 05:57 PM
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i agree with folding pre,

as played I wouldn't have check raised allin on the flop because you are likely to be behind needing to improve to win, better to call and hope to hit your flush, fold turn if you miss.
after analyzing there are 2 things that will benefit me in the long run

1. I can fold Preflop

2. if I call for pot odds considering I have chips to play around 40bb's not bad to call for 180. I can easily fold post flop. The post flop 3-bet shove is bad because I put my tournament life in risk for a draw which I'm easily behind. Always put your chips in not when your behind.

The best move postflop is to just flat then fold if missed

yes that the best move and that's +EV

thank you guys learned a lot

I got it tommorow not going to make the same mistake again

this is all this forum is about learning from your mistakes and correcting it.
 

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