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betting amounts - Thu Dec 08, 2011, 05:55 AM
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Hi all.I'm going to ask a question now which will make me look a total donk but here go's. I'm due to play my first live poker game tomorrow having only ever played on the internet before where everything is done for you.What i need to no is about bet sizing.Example being if the blinds are $5 $10 and your the first to bet after the big blind and you want to put in a min raise i no it has to be $20 if say a player after you puts in a re-raise of $50 and you have decided you like your hand enough to put in another re-raise do's your re-raise have to be $100 or can it be for example $55 or do you have to double it everytime.Another example would be if the betting on the first round is finished and you have seen a flop and want to make another bet if the pot after the first round is $100 would you have to put in a bet of $100 or would it have to be $200 or even $150.I no it is a basis question but like i say the internet do's all this for you so the only decision you have to make is fold call or raise and i don't want to make a complete ass of myself the first time i play in a proper poker club...by the way you may have guessed by now i'm only playing in a very low limit tourney but still doyle brunson had to start somewhere...thanks for any help....mike.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011, 06:23 AM
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Hi Mike,

There are two great training videos in the archives which would be worth taking a look at.

The first one is Continuation Betting in No Limit Holdem

and the second one is 3 Betting Essentials.

The same principles apply for both live and online play.

I wish you every success in your live game, hopes this helps!

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Thu Dec 08, 2011, 07:00 AM
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.Example being if the blinds are $5 $10 and your the first to bet after the big blind and you want to put in a min raise i no it has to be $20 if say a player after you puts in a re-raise of $50 and you have decided you like your hand enough to put in another re-raise do's your re-raise have to be $100 or can it be for example $55 or do you have to double it everytime.
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The blinds are "live bets".
Anyone outside of the BB has only 3 options pre flop: Fold, call the BB amount, or raise.

Any raise of the BB must be double the amount of the big blind.

At the 5/10 level, opening for a min raise would be making it 20 to go.

This represents a CALL of the big blind amount, and a RAISE of the minimum allowed amount; 10 more.

If you raise pre flop, making it 20 to go, a min 3bet by someone behind you would make it 30 to go.

This represents a CALL of your 20, and a minimum raise of YOUR raise amount, or making it 10 more to go.

If instead the 3bettor makes it 50 to go, that would be a CALL of your min raise (which made it 20 to go), and a RAISE of 30 more. A min 4bet in that case would be to make a CALL of the 50, and a RAISE of an additional 30; this would mean your 4bet must be at least 80 to go.

Please note: in a LIVE game, you cannot actually make 2 motions into the pot, one a call and one a raise. The entire amount of your bet must be moved into the pot in 1 motion, UNLESS...

If you verbally "announce" your raise to the table (by saying raise), you can cut a call amount out of your stack, move that forward, then go back ONCE to your stack and cut out a raise amount to push forward.

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Another example would be if the betting on the first round is finished and you have seen a flop and want to make another bet if the pot after the first round is $100 would you have to put in a bet of $100 or would it have to be $200 or even $150.
This was a little bit hard to understand, but I think I got your question...

Answer:

Once the flop has come, there are no forced live bets.

The first player to act on the flop has the option to either bet (a minimum of the BB amount), RAISE (a min raise would be double the BB amount), FOLD, or CHECK.

You just have to remember a few small things:

- A RAISE over a bet is actually 2 actions: a CALL and a RAISE. you must double the raise amount to re-raise (at least).

- An OPEN RAISE after the flop (someone who lead bets more than a lip) must be doubled if you want to re-raise (at least).

- A RAISE over a bet is actually 2 actions; a call of the prior bet amount, and a raise of a given amount (at least double the prior bet amount). to min re-raise, you must double the amount of the raise, not the total amount of the first raiser's total bet.

See?

Hope it helps.

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Thu Dec 08, 2011, 07:04 AM
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I missed that 3bet essentials video. Just checked it out, was pretty solid.


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Thu Dec 08, 2011, 07:52 AM
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I would advise verbally announcing each action before doing anything with your chips or cards.

You can get caught out in a number of ways by indicating your intentions with your actions.

I play live MTTs 3-4 times a month, yet still I could have got screwed just last week. We use blacks (100), reds (500) and browns (5000). Often I get the browns and blacks mixed up (not colourblind, they aren't that far apart and sometimes I might be at a poorly lit table).

Blinds were 100/200, on the button I announced "raise to 500" and tossed a brown (5000) chip into the middle. As I had announced, all that happened was that everyone laughed at me and I was able (actually had to) to replace it with a red (500) chip.

Had I not announced the bet, either they could have chosen to interpret it as an enormous overbet of 25BBs or as a call of the big blind and a request for change. No way would they have allowed me to bet the 500 I intended.

Also, people seem to show their hands way more often live (an ego trip I think). I'm known for being about the only player at my club who doesn't. If you do it online and it works for you then carry on. If, like me, you never show, don't get carried away with everyone else showing (even if you feel a bit pressured to). Stick to your game and be delighted that they are giving you so much free information.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011, 08:42 AM
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Blinds were 100/200, on the button I announced "raise to 500" and tossed a brown (5000) chip into the middle. As I had announced, all that happened was that everyone laughed at me and I was able (actually had to) to replace it with a red (500) chip.

Had I not announced the bet, either they could have chosen to interpret it as an enormous overbet of 25BBs or as a call of the big blind and a request for change. No way would they have allowed me to bet the 500 I intended.
This is a good point about a little know rule...

The "one chip rule" states that if there is action in front of you and you do not announce raise, the act of throwing a single over size chip into the pot is a CALL.

If there is not action in front of you (on the flop or later, a posted bb pre flop is a live bet), un-intentionally tossing a large denomination chip into the pot without announcing a specific raise AMOUNT binds you to making your raise for the full value of that chip. Even if you do not say "raise", moving a chip into the pot is considered binding (except in fixed limit games, where you cannot raise if there was not a bet in front of you).

So either CAN happen to you, but what the result of your mistake in using the wrong size chip is rests on whether there was a bet in front of you.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011, 11:34 AM
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Always announce 'raise' or 'call'.
Also, do NOT put any chips over the action line that you do not want to bet.

Ex: say someone bets 50 and you want to raise to 150, then only put 150 chips in your hand when you go to push them in. If you have more in your hand when moving the chips into the pot, past the action line, then ALL the chips in your hand will become your bet.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011, 02:08 PM
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Hi Mike, recently I have also made my first forays into the world of live casino poker. I will just reiterate what the previous posters have already said; Always announce your intentions before putting chips into the pot. This will greatly reduce the amount of awkward situations you find yourself in.

Also remember that the stuff you see on the telly like, “I see your 100, and raise you 500” will not fly in real life. This is considered a string bet. Just say call or raise.

One time I wanted to move all in but I did not announce anything. I picked up all of my chips in two hands and placed them over the line, but I put dropped the chips in my left hand slightly before the chips in my right hand. This was considered a string bet and did not stand. However if I had just said “all in” before I moved my chips there wouldn't have been a problem. The moral of the story is obvious; always announce your intentions before moving your chips.

If you are in doubt about what your options are then just ask the dealer. I would advise doing this before looking at your cards. Most importantly just have fun and relax, you will quickly become comfortable with live play after a few visits.
 
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betting amounts - Fri Dec 09, 2011, 05:20 AM
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thanks swaxwell and everyone else that has helped me out with would i believe may have been an awkward situation if i had made mistake after mistake while playing in a live tourney.well anyway tonights the night for my first venture in to the live play arena....wish me luck.....regards mike
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2011, 05:26 AM
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Best of Luck Mikey!

Keep us posted on the results!

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Fri Dec 09, 2011, 07:20 AM
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Best of Luck Mikey!

Keep us posted on the results!

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Fri Dec 09, 2011, 11:03 AM
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Before i went and played Live in November i Watched a Video from the ACtives that i think Dave (TheLangoier) had put together. I think i have it book marked on my home computer but will not be there for 7hours or so. So if in the mean time someone knows where it can be found could they post a link please.

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Fri Dec 09, 2011, 05:39 PM
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its here well worth a watch

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...-Casino-Series

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betting amounts - Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:23 AM
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Hi grade B found the video your talking about but i can't seem to get it to play.Is it because you need a certain amount of vpp to watch or do i need adobe flash or something because it looks like a very usual tool in my live play developement.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:22 AM
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its here well worth a watch

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...-Casino-Series

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Hi grade B found the video your talking about but i can't seem to get it to play.Is it because you need a certain amount of vpp to watch or do i need adobe flash or something because it looks like a very usual tool in my live play developement.
I downloaded the latest version of flash and still no joy. Going to open a thread in the training forum for Lango - perhaps he may be able to help.

Here's the thread requesting assistance:

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...576#post317576

Last edited by annie_22at90; Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 11:32 AM.. Reason: Added assistance thread
 

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