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Who got the Bad Beat? - Fri Dec 09, 2011, 04:43 PM
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OK so I'm in a heads up battle the other day and the guy goes all in against my pocket A's. I call, and the cards turn over. I've got AA he's got 34o.

The flop comes up 5,6,7 - I think, oh well there it goes, he hit a staight.
The turn is another 7, and the river is an A. Man I just hit a full house.

The chat box lights up with: Bunch of BS, Pokerstars is a joke, hate this ****ing site.

So my question is: Who got the bad beat here? The straight that lost to a full house, or the 34 that went in against pocket A's
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2011, 04:45 PM
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simple answer: BOTH

He sucked out on the flop, you re-sucked out on the turn/river.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2011, 08:11 PM
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So my question is: Who got the bad beat here?
depends when the money went in.
whoever was a big favourite then!
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2011, 10:10 PM
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depends when the money went in.
whoever was a big favourite then!

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If the player complaining about the site and the RNG here chose to open shove 34o as you're saying he did here Johnny then he needs to learn to live with the consequences of such a play.

My personal rule for myself and how I try to process beats is that once anyone chooses to put all their chips in the middle they've taken all the skill and strategy out of the equation from that point forward in the hand.

Your case here is a classic example of that. The villain CHOSE to put his chips in with 34o. He luckboxed a straight on the flop and then you got even luckier with a runner runner full house catch. But at no time in the hand did YOU ever choose to put your chips in the middle when you're crushed like he did. So seeing as when the chips did go in the middle you were roughly an 81-19% favorite for him to choose to play a hand for stacks that is going to be crushed by so many hands he has nothing to complain about.

Had this been a case of you both still having chips behind after the flop and him getting you to put your chips in the middle when HE has YOU dominated then different story. He has every right to call a bad beat then.

But the way this hand played out he needs to examine his play and not the way the cards fell.
 
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aa - Sat Dec 10, 2011, 03:50 AM
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i would be the one been bad beat with my aa,silly 34 shove but can see his pont flopped practically the nuts then runner runner,happens a lot on ere ive been done loads tha way so yea in away bad beat but yes really bad playing 34
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2011, 02:08 PM
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Had this been a case of you both still having chips behind after the flop and him getting you to put your chips in the middle when HE has YOU dominated then different story. He has every right to call a bad beat then.
OK Let's assume the money goes in after the flop. Calling a 567 flop with a pair of aces is still the right move, considering it's a heads Up. Right?
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2011, 03:16 PM
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OK Let's assume the money goes in after the flop. Calling a 567 flop with a pair of aces is still the right move, considering it's a heads Up. Right?

Would be very hard to lay down aces to that flop minus a very solid read on the opponent for sure. If I have a read where-in the opponent is the type to set mine small pairs or play connectors in the 98,87,76 and 65 range then I may be able to come off the aces. Especially if their overall tendencies are of a tighter type profile.

If I have the player read as a loose donk type then I'm going bust more often than not in that spot because there's such a big range that they could be jamming that only has a piece of this board or could be total air.

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