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almost caught him - Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:49 AM
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so bad we had to split...was it a good call though?
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:24 AM
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This is a good hand to test your poker skills. I'll let you do some research and figure this one out.

When the villain shoved all-in...

1) What was your hand, and what were your draws? (Reading Your Hand and the Board)
2) What kind of hands do you think the villain would behave this way with? (Hand Reading)
3) If you're behind, what are the chances that your hand will improve? (Odds and Outs)
4) Are you getting the right price to call? (Equity)

The four skill groups I've mentioned above are what you should research. There are tons of articles in the library, and I know that 2, 3, and 4 all have live training sessions dedicated to them in the library as well. This is the kind of exercise you'll be doing a lot when you get better at the game. When you can figure these things out at the table, you'll be much more knowledgeable than most of the people who play on Pokerstars.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 06:07 AM
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Dont like your flop bet, too small.. what type of game was this, also important, also you gave him great odds to call... what is your read on his play previously?
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 07:39 AM
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1) What was your hand, and what were your draws? (Reading Your Hand and the Board)
2) What kind of hands do you think the villain would behave this way with? (Hand Reading)
3) If you're behind, what are the chances that your hand will improve? (Odds and Outs)
4) Are you getting the right price to call? (Equity)

1)my hand was a nut flush project with 9 outs
2) the villain would have done that with over pair maybe, two pairs, I think another project would have paid and hands like a set would have played calling to trap me as well.
3) I have 9 outs and the odds were roughly 1/1???
4) i need to read more about this one

Last edited by D H Q; Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 07:42 AM..
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 07:45 AM
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Hi Roomik well this was a sitngo i dont remember well but it might be a fifty50, he was LAG but didnt have enough info to say he was a good one or bad one

and I agree, my bet on the flop was giving him odds to call, maybe the nut flush project made me feel a dangerous confidence. how much would you suggest to bet on that spot?

THANK YOU for coming around buddy
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 08:31 AM
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Myself I would have bet 600=750 ish ,possibly even shoving the flop, a bet of 300 tells me you are weak, have not hit the board, so his shove is either a bluff, or he hit a set. I would believe a bluff more because of your weak bet

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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:42 AM
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In this spot, you are well ahead mathematically of any 1 pair hand (except AA).

Whether this is a good call or not depends greatly upon the reads you have on the villain, but the more often he will jam like this on a single pair hand, the better the call is.

Also, the less likely he is to jam on a big hand (like a set or top 2), the better your call is.

A lot of times, a shove this large will tend to be made with DRAW hands of some sort. Truly strong hands will tend to not shove as often, because they want to keep you around. You hold the best draw here, so a call is fine.

...as long as you realize that you are:

A) risking yourself on a strong draw
B) aware of the sorts of hands the villain might do this on.

Hope it helps.

-JDean
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:49 PM
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I'd have raised more preflop, to 250 or 300.

On the flop, you've got 9 outs for the flush, plus possibly up to 6 more (3 each for the A and the J). If you have even just the aces as outs, that gives you 12 outs (you're in a coin flip situation at 48%) or if all of them are good, you're a 60% favorite.

I'd have bet more on the flop too.... and called their shove.
 

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