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2 out of two - Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:59 PM
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PokerStars Game #72048359661: Tournament #481281279, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2011/12/12 13:52:58 ET
Table '481281279 261' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: toomas2909 (9022 in chips)
Seat 2: magische Han (8075 in chips)
Seat 3: Lambruscola (3705 in chips)
Seat 4: holdemace486 (1510 in chips)
Seat 5: lancast1991 (7580 in chips)
Seat 6: FCOREIS (6375 in chips)
toomas2909: posts the ante 15
magische Han: posts the ante 15
Lambruscola: posts the ante 15
holdemace486: posts the ante 15
lancast1991: posts the ante 15
FCOREIS: posts the ante 15
FCOREIS: posts small blind 60
toomas2909: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to holdemace486 [Tc Ac]
magische Han: folds
Lambruscola: calls 120
holdemace486: raises 1375 to 1495 and is all-in
lancast1991: calls 1495
FCOREIS: folds
toomas2909: calls 1375
Lambruscola: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Th 5c]
toomas2909: bets 7512 and is all-in
lancast1991: folds
Uncalled bet (7512) returned to toomas2909
*** TURN *** [3h Th 5c] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [3h Th 5c 2d] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
toomas2909: shows [7s Ts] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
holdemace486: shows [Tc Ac] (a pair of Tens)
toomas2909 collected 4755 from pot
holdemace486 finished the tournament in 1739th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4755 | Rake 0
Board [3h Th 5c 2d 7d]
Seat 1: toomas2909 (big blind) showed [7s Ts] and won (4755) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 2: magische Han folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Lambruscola folded before Flop
Seat 4: holdemace486 showed [Tc Ac] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: lancast1991 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: FCOREIS (small blind) folded before Flop



i know i shouldnt of pushed but again a bad beat 2 out of two and counting
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:33 PM
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that's too big of a raise preflop, with a hand that is marginal at best.

If you're going to shove, then wait until you see that you have top pair/top kicker on the flop... and shove the flop.

Shoving A 10 suited preflop, especially when you get 2 callers... you will very, very rarely have the best hand.
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2011, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JWK24 View Post
that's too big of a raise preflop, with a hand that is marginal at best.

If you're going to shove, then wait until you see that you have top pair/top kicker on the flop... and shove the flop.

Shoving A 10 suited preflop, especially when you get 2 callers... you will very, very rarely have the best hand.

Gotta disagree with you on this one JW.

Holdem is severely short stacked here and needs to take some risks to get back into this game. If you look at the structure he's in here,it's roughly going to take 30K in chips to meet the average chip stack required to crack the top 480 that cash here,so he's gotta know he's way on the negative side of things on chips already. It's gamble time while he still has at least a little fold equity as well. I think anything LESS than a ship here is bad. His stack is push/fold period and as short as he is A10s is plenty good enough to be going with,outcome be Damned.

Even if holdem were only to say min-raise here pre-flop he's probably going broke in THIS case every time. There's no way he's ever going to be able to get a player who would call pre-flop for 15% of their stack with 107s to fold AFTER catching top pair on the flop if he plays this differently.

Say he bets to open pre and the villain follows. My guess is toomas leads out after the flop and holdem jams over top would be the most likely scenario here. He's still getting rivered.

Holdem I think you played this hand 100% correctly in the parameters you were facing here. However given the structure of this tourney (3000 starting chips) I think you would be well served to pull your HH for this one and examine the plays you made PRIOR to this hand that led you to be sitting on half the starting chips stack at Level VIII. This beat is a symptom of earlier mistakes,NOT the direct cause of your demise here.

And in a 6-Max tourney as short as you have allowed yourself to become here the ship is 100% the CORRECT play every time. So don't beat yourself up on THAT count at least.

DO look for mistakes you made prior to this.
 
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cheers - Tue Dec 13, 2011, 04:08 AM
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ye mox cheers that was my only option and i become low stack not through bad play but missing flops continuous with good hands and getting shoved on or reraised massive lol
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2011, 05:11 AM
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Not saying that all your plays to get to the state your were in here are necessarily bad,but I can guaran--fricking-tee you that if you pull your HH and run some of those hands through pokertstove (it's an equity calculator,if you don't have it download it---NOW) then you WILL find some hands that you could have played better. Accepting that your game will ALWAYS have room for improvement is the only way anyone can ever improve.
 

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