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Did I play too soft ? - Thu Dec 15, 2011, 08:29 PM
Bill Curran's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,507
This guy ( the one that won the hand) wasn't playing particularly loosely, ( Considering this is a 10c 360 man mtt turbo)

He had folded to some larger bets previously, and had shown down some good hands where he won,

My Question is... Should I have bet this more aggressively after the Flop ?

PokerStars Game #72232122148: Tournament #484555349, $0.09+$0.01 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/12/15 19:09:06 ET
Table '484555349 35' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: buñolera77 (3130 in chips)
Seat 2: jazemjazmu (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: TooPro4uBaby (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: el_lucho2246 (1150 in chips)
Seat 5: geison hart (110 in chips)
Seat 6: Bill Curran (2595 in chips)
Seat 7: 1957594 (620 in chips)
Seat 8: iano579 (1350 in chips)
Seat 9: lucchi125 (3230 in chips)
lucchi125: posts small blind 20
buñolera77: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bill Curran [6c 6s]
jazemjazmu: folds
TooPro4uBaby: folds
el_lucho2246: folds
geison hart: raises 70 to 110 and is all-in
Bill Curran: calls 110
1957594: calls 110
iano579: calls 110
lucchi125: calls 90
buñolera77: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 6d Jh]
lucchi125: checks
Bill Curran: bets 320
1957594: folds
iano579: calls 320
lucchi125: calls 320
*** TURN *** [Jc 6d Jh] [Js]
lucchi125: checks
Bill Curran: bets 600
iano579: calls 600
lucchi125: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Jc 6d Jh Js] [4c]
lucchi125: checks
Bill Curran: checks
iano579: bets 320 and is all-in
lucchi125: calls 320
Bill Curran: calls 320
*** SHOW DOWN ***
iano579: shows [Qc Jd] (four of a kind, Jacks)
lucchi125: mucks hand
Bill Curran: shows [6c 6s] (a full house, Jacks full of Sixes)
iano579 collected 3720 from side pot
geison hart: mucks hand
iano579 collected 590 from main pot
geison hart finished the tournament in 222nd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4310 Main pot 590. Side pot 3720. | Rake 0
Board [Jc 6d Jh Js 4c]
Seat 1: buñolera77 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: jazemjazmu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TooPro4uBaby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: el_lucho2246 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: geison hart mucked [Qs 9d]
Seat 6: Bill Curran showed [6c 6s] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Sixes
Seat 7: 1957594 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: iano579 (button) showed [Qc Jd] and won (4310) with four of a kind, Jacks
Seat 9: lucchi125 (small blind) mucked [Qd Qh]
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 08:41 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,819
In that type of tourney, I don't think you're ever getting anyone off Jx on the flop.

Preflop, I like your call, you want multiple in the pot, so you can win more if you flop a set (you 1-upped that by flopping a full house).

On the flop, I'd have bet a bit more, probably about 450-500 and figured that anyone calling it would have a J or a higher pair than me.

On the turn, I'd have checked, becauase now any higher pair OR the last J has me drawing dead. A bet here of 600 won't matter to anyone left, as it's not a large enough % of the pot size to even try to scare someone out. The only thing you could really do here is to shove and if you do, you're in deep trouble, because anyone calling it has you crushed. A mid/high pair or the last J is going to call your bet every single time.

When the turn card hits, it's best to just check it down and fold to a bet.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 08:48 PM
AusBas's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 17
To me this seems like a situation where the hands played themselves, especially in a ten cent turbo.

Even if you overbet shove the flop it's extremely likely your getting called by 3 jacks.

Though your full house does shrink considerably on the turn, any pp higher then sixes now has you beat like Lucchis QQ.

Against multiple opponents i'd actually consider folding once that third jack hits.

In a nutshell I don't think you played it softly because no matter what you do on the flop your getting called by Iano and maybe even Lucchi.

Edit: Or what JWK said, shouldnt've gone to get the mail whilst writing a post lol

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