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All in Ace high flush draw on flop 4 max - Mon Dec 19, 2011, 07:08 AM
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Hi this guy was getting under my skin.
he would call almost every pre flop raise then donk out at me on the flop.
He hardly ever raised pre flop.
So i put him on a big ace or big pocket pair.
Thought I had some fold equity and i would put him to the test.

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Mon Dec 19, 2011, 10:58 AM
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You seem to be describing this guy as loose/passive preflop. If a player like that, who never raises preflop, suddenly puts in a raise, you're best off folding anything that isn't a monster. Like what happened here, you were dominated, and that was probably the bottom of the villain's range.

On the flop, you were getting excellent odds to hit your flush. With 4:1 on your money, and 47:9 (a bit worse than 5:1) to hit your flush, if you could squeeze just a half-pot bet out of the villain on the turn or river, then you've paid off your draw and then some. There's no need to raise, especially after the villain has shown such strength. You're just going to get called down by better hands, like what happened here.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:33 AM
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if the opp is constantly doing the same thing over and over (calling, then leading the flop), anything different really must be looked at with caution. It also sounds like you're on tilt a bit, due to you saying that they're getting under your skin.

preflop: you put in a std raise and get min raised by the opp. If they never raise, that's setting off alarms. With only A/rag, I'm folding here since what the opp did is out of character and is probably on a monster hand (expected him to have a better hand than they really did have).

flop: you've got a flush draw and nothing else. If it were me, I'm just calling their bet and not shoving until I get a made hand. If the opp hit any part of this flop, you have at best 9 outs for the flush (36% equity), which means you shouldn't bet anything more than 345 chips at it.... unless you turn it into a bluff (which is most likely going to get called due to the opp raising preflop, which is not good, and is more likely to happen from you if you're on tilt).

You don't want to be shoving this until you see two things happen.
1. That you hit the flush (if the opp prices you in, just call)
2. That you see the board didn't pair, because the opp could then have a full house and beat a flush... if you hit the flush to start with.

It sounds to me like you did this on tilt.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:49 PM
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Hi this guy was getting under my skin.
he would call almost every pre flop raise then donk out at me on the flop.
He hardly ever raised pre flop.
So i put him on a big ace or big pocket pair.
In this spot, A9o is a fairly straightforward fold to 3-bet preflop. Yes it's a decent hand, but you're doing terrible against that range AND it is a horrible implied odds hand. Think about it. If you hit your ace you're going to lose a lot of chips to AT+, and if he has a hand like TT-KK he's probably not gonna pay you off too well if you hit. You also only have one card to a flush and one card to a straight, so the semi-bluff spots aren't going to be so great. Even in position I think you're better off folding A9 here. 4-betting would be an option if you think he's 3-betting light--but you don't.

On the flop this is a pretty easy call. You have at least the flush outs, and often your ace will be good if you hit it here. You're way too deep to just shove here. There's plenty in implied odds and it's pretty cheap to see the turn. You may be able to take it away on the turn or hit your flush by the river. You have 80 BBs, and your opponent has 50. There's no reason to shove in 40 BBs here.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2011, 03:59 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts
I know you are all right and i probably wasted your time posting it here because i new it was wrong.
But like JWK said, I think this guy was tilting me more than any bad beat..
Thanks Chuckkky
 

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