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Regulations hurt... - Mon Dec 26, 2011, 01:10 AM
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Is it just me or are there others who feel like the Government Regulations seem to be a bit harsh when you want to play?

Seriously, a freeroll tournement and you can't play because a prize of $10. Is it a auto setting?

When did this change, and does this mean no Americans can play? If so i have to say that I am seriously disappointed.

at the big brick wall of Regulations.

Must we all be forced to go to casinos to play?

Sorry for my ranting, but it just doesn't seem right.
 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011, 01:42 AM
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If you live in the Land of the Free, you can't play Online Poker. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Any game that offers any cash is off limits. There some interesting play money challenges, though. Some peeps just keep trying...

 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011, 07:22 AM
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Renee, welcome to the forum. Right now, any US players can only play in the freerolls that have play money prizes..... however, it looks like the feds are finally starting to get their act together. Hopefully we'll all be playing online again in the cash games and freerolls with cash prizes.

I know I'll be back playing as soon as we can

Until everything is finalized, the only place you can play in the US is in casinos.


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Mon Dec 26, 2011, 09:20 AM
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Here in Maryland, state laws have been passed banning online poker and live poker. They then recently lended around $168,000,000 to assist some new slots to open up. Every bar, liquor store, and 711 has lottery machines that you can play lottery, keno, racetracks, scratch-offs, etc. No poker though, that is the devil's game! Gambling is evil if playing cards are involved...
 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011, 03:07 PM
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Here in Maryland, state laws have been passed banning online poker and live poker. They then recently lended around $168,000,000 to assist some new slots to open up. Every bar, liquor store, and 711 has lottery machines that you can play lottery, keno, racetracks, scratch-offs, etc. No poker though, that is the devil's game! Gambling is evil if playing cards are involved...

*SIGH*

There is NO legislation in Maryland that specifically addresses poker,be it live or on-line. The conditions here are EXACTLY the same as they were prior to Black Friday as far as the state is concerned Rocker---that being that on-line poker is in a limbo-state as far as state laws are concerned. Maryland DOES have rather stringent laws on ALL forms of gambling (that aren't the sucker ass lottery that is...) but no special restrictions have been made for poker.

Hell as recently as late October Governor O'Malley implored Democrats on the Federal Debt Commission to not include legislation to legalize on-line poker into the revenue part of the negotiations,as he feels on-line poker will cut into the state's lottery money. If the state had specific bans against on-line poker in place the Governor would NOT be going,hat in hand,to federal politicians to keep on-line poker on the sidelines.

Is it legal to play poker in Maryland? No,certainly not. But unlike the state of Washington,for instance,no legislative action to bar us from playing on-line had ever been passed here. I've looked and looked for any such legislation and keep getting directed to the old state laws pertaining to all forms of gambling.

As to any legislation specifically banning poker,none has even been introduced that I know of. To the contrary last year House Bill 608 was introduced by Representative Frank Turner and would allow ALL holders of video lottery licenses to offer table games---including poker and blackjack. The bill ended up stalling last session but that is the only bill out there that was pending,for or against,as to poker in Maryland. Hell the Senate President Mike Miller is a proven advocate of poker revenue. He would have called in the chips,so to say,to block any legislation against poker here. Even members of the states lottery commission have gone on record as saying they think Maryland needs to get on the poker train to compete with what our neighboring states have to offer.

So while poker has not been legislated favorably in our state YET,it most decidedly,aside from being part and parcel of old anti-gambling legislation in general.has not been legislated against either. And many of us are working to make sure that it WILL be legal in Maryland sooner than later. The next General Assembly session begins in mid-January after all.

Never mind of course that the state just reported record profits for the last fiscal year for the lottery,much of that time of course with on-line poker there as an alternative.
 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ReneeShadow1 View Post
Is it just me or are there others who feel like the Government Regulations seem to be a bit harsh when you want to play?

Seriously, a freeroll tournement and you can't play because a prize of $10. Is it a auto setting?

When did this change, and does this mean no Americans can play? If so i have to say that I am seriously disappointed.

at the big brick wall of Regulations.

Must we all be forced to go to casinos to play?

Sorry for my ranting, but it just doesn't seem right.
Hi Renee and welcome to the forum.
Unfortunately, US players can't participate in any real money games since, what is known as, Black Friday. This occurred back in April and you can google it to find out all the details.
There are a lot of threads that discuss the issue in our forum.
Here is one with a bit of promising news.
http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...more-good-news

We all await the time until we can join in more than play money games. Until then, take advantage of everything Poker School Online has to offer for free. Live Training, videos, and all the other resources here still make this the best place to learn poker.
If you need any help getting started, please look at the "Sticky" thread at the top of the New Members forum.
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:04 AM
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Moxie - Nice post man, your definitely more in touch with the political happenings around here than me. I was making an assumption mostly, based on seeing Maryland specifically listed as a state where it is illegal for residents to participate. I don't remember where I saw this, maybe a poker site or rakeback site. It would be mentioned with a few other states only. I would quote it if I could find it...
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 02:47 PM
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Moxie - Nice post man, your definitely more in touch with the political happenings around here than me. I was making an assumption mostly, based on seeing Maryland specifically listed as a state where it is illegal for residents to participate. I don't remember where I saw this, maybe a poker site or rakeback site. It would be mentioned with a few other states only. I would quote it if I could find it...

Rocker...

That's the Merge.net sites.

Disclaimer so the powers what be don't get in a twist here: I DID dabble a bit on one of their skins and can say that,in my opinion at least, THEY COMPLETELY SUCK,so no big loss not being able to play there as far as I'm concerned.

They barred new sign-ups from Maryland,New York and DC,plus a few more states Rocker. Reason being is some DA's in each state have banned together to go after them in much the same way that Stars and the other 2 sites were targeted in April. Matter of fact I'm 99% sure that the DA in Maryland that filed the case is from AA County,your stomping grounds I believe.

As far as Maryland goes,you and I are under no different restrictions than we were pre-Black Friday in the states eyes. Meaning we're in the same sort of grey area as every other US player (or most every other--Washington State HAS taken a sledgehammer to a scalpel problem).

Like I said elsewhere it seems to me that since the Wire Fraud Act was the statute named to go after the sites banking practices and the Feds are now walking back the application of said act in relation to on-line poker sites this was a week of very good news. I personally always felt that this was joke of a case and now the DOJ seems to be coming to that conclusion themselves.

Again I DO NOT think it's a coincidence that there are 2 states that have announced their intention to start selling lottery tickets on-line--New York (where the case was filed on 4/15) and Illinois (the DOJ IS a Cabinet level department after all). Methinks some folks are worried about trying to say they're against on-line gambling and then want to try and explain selling sucker...errr, lottery ...tickets on-line,whilst banning a game of skill,with some luck mixed in,like poker.

That plus that fact that politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle are looking for revenue streams and see on-line poker as a spigot to be tapped makes me think this is all going to come to an end sooner rather than later.

Here's hoping.
 
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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:54 AM
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Yeah that all makes sense. No doubt Merge websites are where I read that list with Maryland in it. I'm a very logical person and I like making assumptions (poker habit maybe?), but was way off on this one lol. I have hope for the future of online poker in USA, but it is too bad they can't undo the damage already done. I can't help but wonder how much I would have accomplished over the past 8 months.

On a side note, yeah all those non-pokerstars sites do completely suck. Nobody has come anywhere close to filling the void Pokerstars left when they banned us...
 
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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:12 PM
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Yeah that all makes sense. No doubt Merge websites are where I read that list with Maryland in it. I'm a very logical person and I like making assumptions (poker habit maybe?), but was way off on this one lol. I have hope for the future of online poker in USA,but it is too bad they can't undo the damage already done. I can't help but wonder how much I would have accomplished over the past 8 months.

On a side note, yeah all those non-pokerstars sites do completely suck. Nobody has come anywhere close to filling the void Pokerstars left when they banned us...

+1000 on that sentiment.

For myself I will NEVER have respect for a Department of "Justice" that could bring this BS case,while at the same time failing to bring even ONE criminal case against the thieves on Wall Street that tanked the world's economy with their wanton irresponsibility and then left us,the US taxpayers,to pick up their marker when they went Busto.

I'm an adult. I KNOW and ACCEPT the risks inherent if I choose to play a game of skill,with luck mixed in,against other individuals of varying degrees of competency who are just as intent on separating me from my money as I am in separating them from theirs.

Compare that to how many people were flat-out lied to and cheated by the mortgage companies,the banks and the investment houses,all with the willing complicity of our government,over the last decade and it just sickens me to be told that I'm essentially a child in the eyes of these charlatans.

The worst "bad beat" we face today is what passes for leadership in government and corporate responsibility these days.

OK,rant over.

Let us shuffle up and play US government. Do something RIGHT for a change.

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