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77flop set, conceled~ (maximum value play please?)

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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 12:57 PM
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 07:07 PM
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preflop: you have a mid pocket pair and check to see the flop free from the BB to conceal your hand... no problems with this play at all.

flop: you get mid set on a board with possible straight draws. I do not like the check here at all. You need to be leading here to accomplish three things. Firstly, to build a pot so that you can bet more later in the hand. Secondly, to price out anyone drawing to the straight (make drawing -EV for them). Thirdly, to see where you're at in the hand.
Checking here loses value for you and lets the opps possibly draw to hands that can beat you for free.... which is not what you want to be doing. If the opp hits, then instead of a small chance of winning a small pot now, you're going to lose a BIG pot.

turn: now there is a flush draw, multiple straight draws and even the possibility that you're beat by a straight. You need to be betting here, as you do, but you need to make sure that the bet size will make it -EV for BOTH opps to draw, if they both call. To accomplish this, you really need to be betting a bit more than the current pot size (about 150). If you had bet the flop, then you wouldn't have to bet as much compared to the pot size, to price the opps out. One opp drops and you're now HU, out of position, with one opp.

river: the board pairs and you now have a full house. The only hands that beat you now are J3, J6, J7... so you definitely want to make a value bet. Potting it here is really much higher than what you really want to be betting. You want to make a bet that the opp will call, about 1/3-1/2 pot. Here again is a good example where you could bet less and get more value... if you'd have bet the flop. There would be more in the pot, so it'd be easier to get the opp to call a smaller bet.

when you get a set in the blinds, you need to be betting the flop, as it sets up the rest of the hand and makes it easier for you to get value later in the hand.

P.S. I used to try and be sneaky and check here too... but learned that it's not the play that you want to be making, as you lose value on every street due to the pot being lower.


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