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New Method For Awarding VPPs **OFFICIAL DISCUSSION** - Sun Jan 01, 2012, 02:37 PM
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There has been discussions about this topic before see:

Playing ring games ? This might interest you.
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Changes to Rake and VIP Program
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Changes to how Vpp's are earned at ring tables
gatehouse999

Please continue all discussions now in the official thread. Thank you.


On January 1, 2012, we will be changing the way VIP Player Points (VPPs) are awarded at our ring game tables.

Historically, the VPPs earned in a ring game hand have been split equally between all players that were dealt into the hand. The new method will award VPPs proportionally based on each player's contribution to the pot.

The change is illustrated in the example below:

Five players participate in a hand of $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em.

Pre-flop:

* Player 1 raises to $6

* Player 2 folds

* Player 3 folds

* Players 4 (the $1 small blind) calls

* Players 5 (the $2 big blind) calls

Post-flop:

* Player 4 makes a bet of $9

* Player 5 moves all in for $21

* Player 1 folds

* Player 4 calls

* The remaining cards are dealt, and the $60 pot is awarded to Player 4

The pot is $60 in total. Players 4 & 5 contributed $27 each, and player 1 contributed $6. The total rake on this pot is $3, which is worth 16.5 VPPs.

Under the old method, all five players would receive an equal share of the points, i.e. 16.5 / 5 = 3.3 VPPs.

Under the new method, the VPPs will be awarded as follows:


*Player 1 contributed $6 (10% of the pot) and so receives 1.65 VPPs.

*Player 2 contributed $0 (0% of the pot) and so receives 0 VPPs.

*Player 3 contributed $0 (0% of the pot) and so receives 0 VPPs.

*Player 4 contributed $27 (45% of the pot) and so receives 7.43 VPPs.

*Player 5 contributed $27 (45% of the pot) and so receives 7.43 VPPs.


A number of Frequently Asked Questions are answered below. If you have a question that is not addressed in this section, please contact support@pokerstars.com.

What is actually changing?

We have changed the way VIP Player Points (VPPs) are awarded to each player in ring games. Previously, any VPPs awarded to the table were split equally between all players dealt into a hand. Now, VPPs are awarded based on how much each player has contributed to the total pot. The same total amount of VPPs will be awarded as before. However, some individuals may receive more or fewer VPPs based on how much they contribute to raked pots.

How are VPPs now awarded?

VPPs will continue to be awarded in ring games based on the rake collected in each pot. The same total amount of VPPs will be awarded for each hand but not all players dealt in will receive the same number of VPPs. Instead, players will receive a share of the total VPPs awarded based on how much they contributed to the pot. The formula for VPP earnings under the method is VPPs = (your contribution to pot / total pot) * (rake collected * VPP multiplier).

This does not affect MTTs or SNGs. You will continue to earn VPPs at a rate of 5.5 for each $1 in tournament entry fees.

IMPORTANT NOTE: In all cash ring games, points are credited at the end of a hand. So if you leave a table before the hand is completed, you may not receive the VPPs for that hand. To ensure that you are properly credited, please ‘Sit Out’ until the start of the next hand, and then leave the table.

When does the change happen?

VPPs will be awarded with the new method at tables that are created on or after January 1, 2012.

How will I know how much I have contributed to the pot?

Your contribution to the pot consists of any money you put in during the hand by posting blinds, calling bets, or making bets or raises that are matched by at least one opponent. The total amount of those actions divided by the total pot size (before rake) equals the percentage of the pot you have contributed in that hand, and the percentage of the awarded VPPs you will receive.

Please refer to PokerStars VIP Program for more information, including a calculation formula, on how VPPs are now awarded.

How will the new method of awarding VPPs affect me?

These changes will only affect players at real money ring game tables. Tournaments are not affected.

Because the new method awards VPPs based on how much you individually contribute to raked ring game pots, the impact will be different for all players. Some players will earn more VPPs and some will earn less, but the total number of VPPs PokerStars awards per hand will not change.

Does the new method of awarding VPPs mean I need to pay more rake to get the same amount of VPPs as before?

VPPs have always related to the amount of rake paid at the table, not the rake paid by individual players in the pots that they win. This change will affect players differently based on their playing style. Some players will have to play more hands to earn the same number of points while others will have to play fewer hands.

Are the VPPs required to attain various VIP Club levels being adjusted as well?

Only the manner in which VPPs are distributed is changing. The number of VPPs required to earn each VIP Club level is not changing at this time.



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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 02:44 PM
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Based purely on greed pokerstars hang your heads in shame. I work and have a family and don't have the bankroll or the time you are asking for. Can't believe just how greedy this site has become.
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 02:56 PM
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And please see 'closed' thread discussions - unless mods can transfer them here - we obviously weren't aware of this official thread.

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...at-ring-tables

to which thread my thoughts so far were

I agree it is going to be MUCH harder to earn the 150+VPPs for PSO 'tag style' students.

I also agree this is secondary to being an overall winning player.

For PSO Premier Players, or PSO video viewing & live training requirements, the 150+VPPs is going to be much harder to attain and I would like to see this adjusted down from 150+ to maybe 75+ or 100+. I'm sure in February we will see far fewer players here being eligible for the higher prize level and viewing requirements.

This is something PSO could do independently to mitigate the effect the new VPP rules will have here at PSO.

I would hate to see the Premier League be 'sat out' by many more players who just want to return to the higher prizes for 20+VPPs in the Open Skill League.

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan

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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 07:13 PM
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For PSO Premier Players, or PSO video viewing & live training requirements, the 150+VPPs is going to be much harder to attain and I would like to see this adjusted down from 150+ to maybe 75+ or 100+. I'm sure in February we will see far fewer players here being eligible for the higher prize level and viewing requirements.

This is something PSO could do independently to mitigate the effect the new VPP rules will have here at PSO
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I would hate to see the Premier League be 'sat out' by many more players who just want to return to the higher prizes for 20+VPPs in the Open Skill League.

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
This should be done immediately, and can be if they really want to.

We shall see...


Dale

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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 08:13 PM
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Can I ask why you would close a great discussion thread just so you could stamp your name to it?
This has happened a few times and frankly I find it to be a way to sway the topic away from its true issue most of the time.
If you are going to act like we are allowed to post on any topic,stop closing threads for PSOs better interests.

As for the topic its all been written and if stars cant see the light thats their own issue.
Was close to pulling the plug on online poker anyways and the way these sites are acting has me washing my hands for 2012.

Good luck to those that feel they can beat online,as far as I am concerned I have better things to do with my life.
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 08:38 PM
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This is not the first time a thread has been closed to reference another thread on the same topic. After Black Friday several threads were closed with reference to the preferred thread. This is not meant to dissuade conversation or put spin on it, but to keep an important topic in one thread instead of several.
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 09:29 PM
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Nice reply and I am sure you buy that.

One question,why no link to the old thread?

Think we all know the answer to that.

Be sure to read my last post before saying adios.
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 09:37 PM
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can't wait

cheers
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 09:49 PM
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I understand why pokerstars had to make these changes (tyvm black friday) but it definitely sucks for most of us cash table players. Definitely noticed a drain on the vpp's after the first day, I'm not spewy enough to get the same amount I used to

Debating now whether to go back to Single table sng's or finally go over to the darkside and grind out mtt's.
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 09:51 PM
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Can I ask why you would close a great discussion thread just so you could stamp your name to it?
This has happened a few times and frankly I find it to be a way to sway the topic away from its true issue most of the time.
If you are going to act like we are allowed to post on any topic,stop closing threads for PSOs better interests.

As for the topic its all been written and if stars cant see the light thats their own issue.
Was close to pulling the plug on online poker anyways and the way these sites are acting has me washing my hands for 2012.

Good luck to those that feel they can beat online,as far as I am concerned I have better things to do with my life.
+1 Great minds think alike. I was thinking that exact thing when I saw the thread, and who started this 1. He's done this to 2 or 3 different threads, all fine where they were,and is completely unnecessary, that is except to please his own ego maybe.
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 09:54 PM
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 10:15 PM
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or merge the posts in the other threads into this one...happens all the time in other forums that I frequent more than this one
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012, 11:00 PM
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Hey guys,

Usually we would post a news about this change in our news-section-forum and create a discussion thread (which is the official discussion thread) to discuss everything relevant. Unfortunately due to holidays and NYE we were too late this time. In this case we normally link to the most active discussion thread and threat this one as the official thread. We are really sorry that this has not happen this time and we are sorry for any incoveniences caused by an internal misunderstanding. We definately do not want to shut anyone down but concentrate the whole discussion in one thread instead of severals.

Unfortunately thread-merging is a mess, because it destroys the whole discussion-timeline. I will work out another solution asap.

Edit:
We have edited the OP.

Please feel free to discuss all VPP changes now in this thread. Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Christopher


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Mon Jan 02, 2012, 02:06 AM
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Hi - & thanks for the OP edit above to include the various original threads.

I have just noticed the following in the lobby.

VIP Ring Game Happy Hours
You can earn 50% more VPPs and FPPs with special Ring Game Happy Hours running all month. There will be one each day from January 2-29, and all you need to do to earn your additional points is play on any real money ring game table during one of the hours listed below:

January 2-8: 04:00 ET
January 9- 15: 10:00 ET
January 16-22: 16:00 ET
January 23-29: 22:00 ET

I'm not going to comment on this new promotion - just wanted to make sure PSO players are aware as early as possible in case in can help them get their 20+ or 150+VPPs at the cash tables during this month.

Good luck all

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
 
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Mon Jan 02, 2012, 02:21 AM
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Hi - & thanks for the OP edit above to include the various original threads.

I have just noticed the following in the lobby.

VIP Ring Game Happy Hours
You can earn 50% more VPPs and FPPs with special Ring Game Happy Hours running all month. There will be one each day from January 2-29, and all you need to do to earn your additional points is play on any real money ring game table during one of the hours listed below:

January 2-8: 04:00 ET
January 9- 15: 10:00 ET
January 16-22: 16:00 ET
January 23-29: 22:00 ET

I'm not going to comment on this new promotion - just wanted to make sure PSO players are aware as early as possible in case in can help them get their 20+ or 150+VPPs at the cash tables during this month.

Good luck all

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
Np Ed!

For everyone that is not aware of the
**Vip Club Blast Off OFFICIAL DISCUSSION** catch!



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Mon Jan 02, 2012, 06:16 AM
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Heres my reply from the old thread

Im pretty sure the intent of these changes is financial. Either making less people eligible, or getting people to put more money in to become eligible, they have the same end result: more money for PS. With this in mind, I highly doubt they will reduce the requirement.

Its the way of the new age we are living in, we get less for our money. Whether this is down to necessity or greed I do not know, but its happening everywhere not just on poker sites.

50/50's are a good way to get VPP's, I have been playing them a lot more recently and find them profitable.
 
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Mon Jan 02, 2012, 07:22 AM
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PURE GREED, SIMPLE AS, NOTHING MORE. Shameful exploitation of the small bankroll players. Hang your collective heads in shame Pokerstars.
 
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Mon Jan 02, 2012, 09:23 AM
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l'm so confused

hiccup.......l been here for a long time and l will continue to play here,

but how much, l'm really not sure, but l will not quit, just adjust as always.

Stars has given me and others tons of free promos and stuff...effin great for sure,

but please remember why they did, well to get bigger numbers to play and deposit here,

not because they think l'm a great guy....hiccup.

Yes l'm staying, but not happy, after some time they will see there numbers drop and make some more changes....yahoo, and we will be happy again....hiccup.

Well until they forget bigger numbers mean bigger profits, then it will start all over again

it's a business remember....hiccup

just a drunk guys opinion

cheers
 
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Mon Jan 02, 2012, 12:20 PM
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Thanks to the PSO mods for killing other threads about the contributed rake.

There are two related elements at play here - PokerStars and PokerSchoolOnline.
PokerStars makes a move to contributed rake - rewards the loose aggressive players, hurts the TAG's. OK, makes sense - if you donate more, you earn more. When my wife and I go to the casino, she plays slots, I play poker. She gets free rooms, free food. I get to share the room with her.

BUT - the problem is with the PokerSchoolOnline and the way it structures its payouts. Earning 20+ or 150+ VPP's was established under the OLD REWARD SYSTEM. It must change to reflect the new reward system. Otherwise the league payouts promote a system of play (LAG) when all the training materials teach us how to play TAG.

IMHO, PSO must make some significant changes to the qualifying structure to align its payouts with its teachings.
First - Open Skill League - all players MUST pass the core quiz.
Second - Create one pay scheme - eliminate the 20+ VPP requirement.
Third - Make appropriate adjustments for the Premier League (until I've played in it I cannot really comment.)
 
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Mon Jan 02, 2012, 12:25 PM
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I don't like the change to WC either, but you can still employ a TAG style and get your 20 VPPs each month, just play SnGs instead of cash. Play 25 $1.50 50/50 SnGs in a month, get your VPP and probably make a profit off the SnGs as the 50/50s are easy to cash.
 

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