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Trouble with AK again - Tue Jan 03, 2012, 09:26 AM
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first.. hand replayer does not work here with chrome or IE9, no pokertracker on this laptop, can't get flopturnriver to work (ever), where can I convert my hand as I don't want to post raw handhistory?
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 09:37 AM
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Post the raw data and someone will convert it for you.
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 09:49 AM
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Post the raw data and someone will convert it for you.
OK, didn't work on firefox either, and another converter didn't work (maybe wrong browser though).


PokerStars Hand #73209846946: Tournament #493996327, $1.29+$0.21 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2012/01/03 14:02:17 UTC [2012/01/03 9:02:17 ET]
Table '493996327 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: gedche (1050 in chips)
Seat 4: gergoPS (2725 in chips)
Seat 6: taxi128 (1775 in chips)
Seat 7: Jamster81 (1875 in chips)
Seat 8: bobber93 (1730 in chips)
Seat 9: Metaphysics7 (4345 in chips)
Jamster81: posts small blind 50
bobber93: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jamster81 [Kh Ah]
Metaphysics7: raises 100 to 200
gedche: folds
gergoPS: folds
taxi128: raises 400 to 600
Jamster81: raises 1275 to 1875 and is all-in
bobber93: folds
Metaphysics7: folds
taxi128: calls 1175 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (100) returned to Jamster81
*** FLOP *** [8c 5c 2c]
*** TURN *** [8c 5c 2c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [8c 5c 2c Ts] [2s]
bobber93 said, "lmao"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jamster81: shows [Kh Ah] (a pair of Deuces)
taxi128: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
taxi128 collected 3850 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3850 | Rake 0
Board [8c 5c 2c Ts 2s]
Seat 3: gedche folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gergoPS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: taxi128 (button) showed [Qh Qd] and won (3850) with two pair, Queens and Deuces
Seat 7: Jamster81 (small blind) showed [Kh Ah] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 8: bobber93 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Metaphysics7 folded before Flop


No HUD but button seems solid player from what I've seen and BB tight. UTG was minraising often at 25/50 as well, but raised bigger at other times so minraise doesn't suggest strength. I seem to have lost a lot with AK before the bubble so I'm wondering if I play it too much, especially reraising early to midgame.

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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 10:14 AM
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replayer doesn't work for me either but i prefer the text anyway.

Given your read on UTG player this seems straightforward that the villain re raises to take down the dead money right there. He is committing 1/3 of his stack and is basically saying I have a hand I want to play and I'm not folding. You also indicate that the villain is a solid player so his raise again allows you to either jam or fold there are no other options. We are never just flatting as this commits us anyway so if we are playing your shove is fine. Villain doesnt always have QQ + but given how you read him a fold seems more appropriate.
If this player had been a loose player then your jam is fine but we are always talking about reads. One other thing to consider is that you may have your A or K blocked by the min raiser as many of these players will play Ax this way.
In summary your re pop is not terrible but a fold would not be terrible either. Fire up another !

 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 10:38 AM
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replayer doesn't work for me either but i prefer the text anyway.

Given your read on UTG player this seems straightforward that the villain re raises to take down the dead money right there. He is committing 1/3 of his stack and is basically saying I have a hand I want to play and I'm not folding. You also indicate that the villain is a solid player so his raise again allows you to either jam or fold there are no other options. We are never just flatting as this commits us anyway so if we are playing your shove is fine. Villain doesnt always have QQ + but given how you read him a fold seems more appropriate.
If this player had been a loose player then your jam is fine but we are always talking about reads. One other thing to consider is that you may have your A or K blocked by the min raiser as many of these players will play Ax this way.
In summary your re pop is not terrible but a fold would not be terrible either. Fire up another !

Thanks that should help with future AK dilemas
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 10:39 AM
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Your text is probably the issue, although I can't find it. Can't get FTR to work for me on IE either, so it's very likely the input data.

I agree this was a good shove. In fact, I think you can consider the UTG minraise dead money if this guy was getting too involved in pots. So that makes this an even better, and a pretty straightforward shove on your stack size. Getting it in and flipping sucks, especially in the early game, but when you're getting shorter and the initial pot is getting bigger, you usually need to go with it.

Like Cowboy said, just play another game. The results will even out eventually. This is sort of the reason I hate single-tabling; the variance is harder to look past. It will even out, though.
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 11:00 AM
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PokerStars Hand #73209846946: Tournament #493996327, $1.29+$0.21 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2012/01/03 14:02:17 UTC [2012/01/03 9:02:17 ET]
Table '493996327 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: gedche (1050 in chips)
Seat 4: gergoPS (2725 in chips)
Seat 6: taxi128 (1775 in chips)
Seat 7: Jamster81 (1875 in chips)
Seat 8: bobber93 (1730 in chips)
Seat 9: Metaphysics7 (4345 in chips)
Jamster81: posts small blind 50
bobber93: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jamster81 [Kh Ah]
Metaphysics7: raises 100 to 200
gedche: folds
gergoPS: folds
taxi128: raises 400 to 600
Jamster81: raises 1275 to 1875 and is all-in
bobber93: folds
Metaphysics7: folds
taxi128: calls 1175 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (100) returned to Jamster81
*** FLOP *** [8c 5c 2c]
*** TURN *** [8c 5c 2c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [8c 5c 2c Ts] [2s]
bobber93 said, "lmao"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jamster81: shows [Kh Ah] (a pair of Deuces)
taxi128: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
taxi128 collected 3850 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3850 | Rake 0
Board [8c 5c 2c Ts 2s]
Seat 3: gedche folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gergoPS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: taxi128 (button) showed [Qh Qd] and won (3850) with two pair, Queens and Deuces
Seat 7: Jamster81 (small blind) showed [Kh Ah] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 8: bobber93 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Metaphysics7 folded before Flop


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When i put the hand in the replayer i get this extra sentence in my screem highlighted in red so maybe that's the problem. the there is some hidden info in your hand. try selecting till just behind seat 9!!

i hope it is solved lol
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PanickyPoker View Post
Your text is probably the issue, although I can't find it. Can't get FTR to work for me on IE either, so it's very likely the input data.

I agree this was a good shove. In fact, I think you can consider the UTG minraise dead money if this guy was getting too involved in pots. So that makes this an even better, and a pretty straightforward shove on your stack size. Getting it in and flipping sucks, especially in the early game, but when you're getting shorter and the initial pot is getting bigger, you usually need to go with it.

Like Cowboy said, just play another game. The results will even out eventually. This is sort of the reason I hate single-tabling; the variance is harder to look past. It will even out, though.
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Originally Posted by 77wopke77 View Post
PokerStars Hand #73209846946: Tournament #493996327, $1.29+$0.21 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2012/01/03 14:02:17 UTC [2012/01/03 9:02:17 ET]
Table '493996327 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: gedche (1050 in chips)
Seat 4: gergoPS (2725 in chips)
Seat 6: taxi128 (1775 in chips)
Seat 7: Jamster81 (1875 in chips)
Seat 8: bobber93 (1730 in chips)
Seat 9: Metaphysics7 (4345 in chips)
Jamster81: posts small blind 50
bobber93: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jamster81 [Kh Ah]
Metaphysics7: raises 100 to 200
gedche: folds
gergoPS: folds
taxi128: raises 400 to 600
Jamster81: raises 1275 to 1875 and is all-in
bobber93: folds
Metaphysics7: folds
taxi128: calls 1175 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (100) returned to Jamster81
*** FLOP *** [8c 5c 2c]
*** TURN *** [8c 5c 2c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [8c 5c 2c Ts] [2s]
bobber93 said, "lmao"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jamster81: shows [Kh Ah] (a pair of Deuces)
taxi128: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
taxi128 collected 3850 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3850 | Rake 0
Board [8c 5c 2c Ts 2s]
Seat 3: gedche folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gergoPS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: taxi128 (button) showed [Qh Qd] and won (3850) with two pair, Queens and Deuces
Seat 7: Jamster81 (small blind) showed [Kh Ah] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 8: bobber93 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Metaphysics7 folded before Flop


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When i put the hand in the replayer i get this extra sentence in my screem highlighted in red so maybe that's the problem. the there is some hidden info in your hand. try selecting till just behind seat 9!!

i hope it is solved lol
To solve the hand replayer problem, after pasting the hand history, replace "Pokerstars Hand" in the first line with "Pokerstars Game". I read this in a post yesterday, but can't find it at the moment, so thanks to the person who figured this out.

 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 11:33 AM
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lol tnx but my replayer still works fine i saw the odd thing below when i tried to post this one lol

well done
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012, 01:17 PM
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You are on just under 19BB in your stack...

You are facing an ep min raiser and a 3bet...

Whether or not your shove as the 4th bet is good or not is largely a function of the Ranges you put both opponents on. Consider...

Best case for you is that you are facing 2 pp, both QQ and under, who will CALL. This makes you a essentially a race to triple up.

(ok, the REAL "best case" is both opps call, and both have AQ, but that is not really likely. In these spots, it is almost certain that if both call, one opp has a pp at least).

Note: this is actually BETTER for you overall than having one of the callers of a jam by you wake up with a hand like AQ that you dominate. This is so because there is not a significant side pot for you to win versus the larger stack if you dominate him, and if the slightly shorter stack than you has a hand you dominate, he has blockers to your outs versus the stack who can bust you.

Worst case for you is one opp calls with AA and the other calls with KK, and you are drawing quite thinly to running cards.

Somewhere within these extremes lies your actual situation...

Your read says the big stack is somewhat lite to raise here, and the shorter stack is a solid player. Your need for chips is great enough that you are perfectly fine in isolating on the 3bettor with AK in this spot, as even a solid player's all in range on his stack size is not likely to consist of ONLY hands that crush you (AA and KK only).

Had you held 25BB or 30BB in your stack here, a flat of the 3bet with the intention of calling a jam on any flop hit for you might be better than an immediate iso raise, but on your stack size here a jam is fine. You simply cannot afford to flat off about 1/3rd your chips, then fold.

Folding is pretty weak in my opinion, because your 3bettor is quite likely to much much WIDER than AA/KK in his range due to his stack size, plus the fact he might be "attacking" the same weak raise range that you noticed in the EP raiser. He has pretty much "stuck" himself here with his raise, so even if he did 3bet a hand like AQ/AJ/KQ he probably has to call if you ship.

The only way I fold AK in this spot on your stack size is if you are in a bubble situation, and you will net ZERO return from the tournament if you bust now (or if you get crippled); the fact there is a 10BB stack smaller than you means that folding AK in a bubble spot is possible to avoid a race for stacks.

Hope it helps.

-JDean


Double Bracelet Winner

Last edited by JDean; Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 01:22 PM..
 

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