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why?? - Wed Jan 04, 2012, 02:13 PM
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Why did i played K9 well because they play a lot of marginal hands under this one to try and get bounties

he played a lot of crap and i hit 2 pair and he shoves i think he hit is A the res is shown

but it's the strangest thing that this year till now i get my beats on the turn instead of the river

 
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Thu Jan 05, 2012, 04:01 PM
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Why did i played K9 well because they play a lot of marginal hands under this one to try and get bounties

he played a lot of crap and i hit 2 pair and he shoves i think he hit is A the res is shown

but it's the strangest thing that this year till now i get my beats on the turn instead of the river


Hey wopke,not sure what the "Why" in your query is meant to be aimed at so I'll go down the line on this hand as I would analyze it for myself.

1. Pre-flop: OK you say that you played the K9s because you see players going with weaker hands than that to chase after bounties. While that may be true you need to understand that you,in turn,are allowing YOUR decisions to be influenced by the bounties yourself,albeit indirectly,as you're willing to open up YOUR range in a reaction to what they're doing. This goes against the grain of what you should do when faced with looser players,that being tighten up and let them come to you,as they invariably will. Then bend them over and take their stacks when you KNOW you have the goods. If players are playing loose you don't have to open up your range and look for flip or thin value/advantage spots,they'll walk right into spots where you have them crushed more often than not.

You are below 10BB's here anyway so if you ARE going to play a hand you need to be shipping. Now K9s in that consideration is a perfectly acceptable hand to be getting your chips in with the pot being unopened when it gets to you. THAT would be a better reason to play the hand than playing a thin value hand just because it's a loose table. Loose players you should look to play less hands,more aggressively.

Also I think that you'll find that if you start to ignore the knockout's in these knockout tournaments and just play your standard game the knockouts WILL come to you anyway and you'll get yourself into less tough spots.

2. Post-flop: Why does the villain shove here?

LOL,I would say it was just the classic donk panic shove that we've all seen (and I can never see too many of when I'm holding the goods...) when they have an underpair with 3 over cards on the board. What was going through his/her mind other than a stiff breeze here I won't hazard a guess at. What could you have possibly committed yourself to pre-flop that you're folding here with these odds? Not anything really,so again,classic donk panic shove.

3. The McGuffin: Why does the 8 come? Because beats happen. You KNOW that one,as do we all.

4. Why for my own personal self-analysis standards I would NEVER consider this a bad beat...

Quite simply because the action in this hand is really pre-flop,as you had pretty much decided to make your stand with this hand. Well you WERE a slight (roughly 53-47%) dog at that point. For myself my simple standard to keep me honest on beats is this...if I choose to get my chips in or strongly commit myself to a hand when I'm behind or flipping no matter what comes to follow in that hand can I consider it a bad beat. Once you commit,you commit. Every thing to follow is the epilogue in my opinion.

Hope this helps and run better next time.

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Thu Jan 05, 2012, 04:19 PM
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shove pre = fine

fold pre = questionable

raise/call = "!^%"^^""%^"%^%£$Q$"ing awful, imho
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012, 10:39 AM
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Hey wopke,

The fact you play K9s is good, as you should.

I don't know if you have watched Chris Moneymaker his review video's off Matt Burford but that video explains exactly the situation you are in pre-flop.

The video basically tells you that any K9 especially a suited one should be an instant shove with only 9 bb's left. I know he would probably still make the call and that it wouldn't change the outcome of the hand but that's the way it is.

Then why did he continue the hand after the flop? Well with the amount of chips already in the pot he was practically pot committed with you only having 1300 left, with the shove he might have tried to get you out of the pot if you missed the flop completely (Because you do see the folds at lower stakes even if they are pot committed)

Anyway it is unlucky he hit his set at the turn, next time you will win it
 

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