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4 Aces Slaughter !!!

4 Aces Slaughter !!! - Sun Jan 08, 2012, 03:02 AM
SkinyButPhat's Avatar
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Hi All,

This is from a $.25 cent 45 person SNG:

I think I played it correctly by not overplaying it, and letting him think that his bluff was stronger than what he percieved as my weaker bluff. Does that makes sense?

Anyway, here it is:

This might make me over a dollar in the end !!! Woot Woot



Sun Jan 08, 2012, 03:49 AM
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Up until this moment, what's the standard opening bet on the table? You're opening for 5x in an unopened pot, which seems a bit much for me. Of course, you want as little players as possible in there with you, and as added value build a nice pot, but you're pretty much forced to shove on the flop, as any smaller bet is gonna leave your stack crippled too much. Of course that's not much of a problem when you flop the quads
I like the check on the flop, a bet here would chase the opponent away far too often. On the turn it gets tricky, we want value, but another check might lead to another check behind - too bad we're out of position.
Turn, you bet 300 which is a little over 1/6th of the pot. A real small bet, I would personally fold a lot of hands there, it smells fishy. Your turn bet is less than half of your opening bet. Looks like you want a caller way too much.
As it is, he raises you. Sweet.... But, his raise is too small, a little more than 1/3 of the pot. If this is a value raise, it should be bigger, if it's a bluff, it's too small to get anyone off a hand. Is he representing an ace? Then it would be a value bet, and should have been bigger. Also, what's he putting you on to make the bluff. There's no draws at all out there, and your big opening bet could sure represent an ace.
At this point you can either call again or shove. I'm thinking if he has a strong draw he can call a shove here, but not if he misses his draw on the river. I'd probably go for the raise.

On the river, betting the 1050 is a mistake as it leaves you only 3BBs. You know you're going to win the pot, but consider how that looks to your opponent.

Talking of opponent, what in tarbnation is he doing there with a K,8 off. He should never have been calling that preflop raise. I think you ended up very lucky getting the value you did, as he obviously doesn't have a clue. He never had anything, no pair, no draw. As far as bluffs go, this was a pretty weak one.

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Sun Jan 08, 2012, 04:12 AM
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the scenario is that he was super aggressive all game, he called almost every hand, so had him pegged as an Any Two Carder. If he wasn't calling, he was raising preflop 80-90% of the time he was playing. Small bets mostly, 2 or 3 times BB

I see in hindsight the errors I made here though. You are totally right about the size of initial bet, and then the pathetic bet on the turn.

In my mind I wanted him to think that I had not caught anything and just had a higher card, and I believe that is what he thought about his own hand.

My thought on the river was that if I shoved all in , he might not call and sniff out my Ace(s), so I was thinking to lure him into to the re-raise, which did happen. But looking at it now I see what you mean about the 3BB leftover.........

If ever in a circumstance similar to this, I will definately look back at this thread for some guidance.

I am learning, and although NLHE is still a mystery in many ways to me, I am improving my Omaha, Badugi, and 2-7 games to the point I am willing to enter some tourneys soon.

Thanks for the read, it helps a lot. I 'll be looking at this a few times to see how better to fix my weaknesses when playing a hand I clearly will win to get as much value out of it as possible.


4 aces Slaughter....The Redux - Sun Jan 08, 2012, 07:25 AM
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This is for you Ov3rsight.....

as yoda might say.....learn well has he

.55 cent $500 GTD, just after the bubble, and now on my way to hopeully top 100 out of just over 4500 !!!

Thanks for the help again

Sun Jan 08, 2012, 07:36 AM
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Sun Jan 08, 2012, 01:41 PM
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can you give me some quads sir

you seemed to have many

nice hand sir
Sun Jan 08, 2012, 05:18 PM
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Hey Deaner,

Here's the way that I'd have played the hand here. It's always good to get AA.

Preflop: I would make a standard raise to try and conceal my hand. If you make the same std raise everytime, the opp won't know if you're raising with AA, KQs or even 27o. My std raise at this level is to 3BB+1BB for each limper so I'd raise to 450.

Flopping quads, I like the check here. If the opp bets, then I call, but I want the opp to think that I'm scared of an ace and hope that they hit a part of the board either here or on the turn if they check behind.

Turn: I would want to make a value bet here. In doing so, I want the amount to be what I would make as a std value bet on a board like this. I use about 1/2 pot in this situation (larger if there are straight or flush draws possible). Making too large or too small of a bet here can also be a tell to an opp.
When the opp raises, then I'm calling here. I want to keep the opp in the pot and hope they'll raise the value bet that I plan to make on the river.

River: I'm leading with a value bet every time here and making the size of it whatever I think the opp will call, normally 1/3 to 1/2 pot. When the opp shoves, it's time to high 5 the screen and call. If the opp raises for less than a shove, then I re-raise by shoving.

By making std bets, I keep the opp guessing, as I could have 56s, Ax, AA or anything else in between.

Hope this helps and nice hand

John (JWK24)


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