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feel like tilting - Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:40 AM
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right guys great one all my bad beats gone now sufering for 2 days good beats and split pots?
why does the variance not change when i change tables?
you know what im thinking agin but wont say it pleae explain b4 i go mad..
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:48 AM
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why is this in the pso support forum?, it should be in the who cares about listening to me whine over and over while ignoring solid advice from everyone forum
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:49 AM
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Hi Holdemace,

Even the greatest players have very bad days. Their true greatness is to be able to pick themselves back up, learn from where they went wrong, and get back on a winning streak again.

Watch as many videos as you can, read as much theory as you can, and complete the courses, staring with the basic and core course.

These will really help you with your game. You have to put the work in to get the results and that applies to everyone.

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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:54 AM
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why is this in the pso support forum?, it should be in the who cares about listening to me whine over and over while ignoring solid advice from everyone forum
its in the pso section because im asking pso no one else roomik,and there is nothing wrong with my poker my freind along with the other 90 percent of ppl who lose on here.
so what you suppose to do fold everything? dont think so!
and royal still does not answer my question yes poker as its bad days but from 1 tourney to the next,from one table to the next i would expect the variance to change so why doesnt it,and that day or days you just keep losing i dont get it?
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:07 AM
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you dont get it do you? read up on poker variance... it is more than 3 or 4 games, I have a friend who lost 800 buyins straight before he broke out... and he is a winning player, makes around 10k a month. so stop with bitching about losing 3 times in a row and get a life
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:18 AM
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you dont get it do you? read up on poker variance... it is more than 3 or 4 games, I have a friend who lost 800 buyins straight before he broke out... and he is a winning player, makes around 10k a month. so stop with bitching about losing 3 times in a row and get a life
you are such a heckler does someone pay you for this? i do get it and understand everything about poker,have won on every internet poker site except this one,constant coolers all the time yes you can argue its how many hands you see,but thats my argument 2 days and no variance change come on,if i entered a live tourney and had countless bad cards,the next tourney i won expect better because of variance so why is my coin landing on tails for two days,on different tables different formats etc,and the truth is you cant answer that can you?
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:33 AM
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you dont get it do you? read up on poker variance... it is more than 3 or 4 games, I have a friend who lost 800 buyins straight before he broke out... and he is a winning player, makes around 10k a month. so stop with bitching about losing 3 times in a row and get a life

800? Sure makes my 19-game losing streak seem like a minor thing. And yeah, I'm talking chips here. One day, Moxie, one day.




Seriously though, we all go through those downswings. If you think getting your butt kicked in a tourney, think what the ring player must be feeling like. Varience is a real bankroll kicker. A streak like roomik17 described would eliminate everyone who couldn't afford such losses.

Heck, my minor blip had me yanking my quills. You question everything, including the validity of the software. Perhaps that's the biggest difference between us. Real numbers proved the honesty of the site. Until you get over the paranoia, you will always rely on luck. Frank Sinatra told you about her, and you had better listen.

Same thing here. Start examining your game. Ask yourself why you lost, and the answer isn't "the other guy got lucky."

1 --- Did you have as strong a hand as you thought? (your outs versus his)
2 --- When did your opponent beat you? (pre flop, post flop, turn, river)
3 --- When did you suspect he had the better hand? (sometimes that inner voice is a real pro)
4 --- How hard did you push? (I'm still working on betting strategy)
5 --- Did you fall in love with your hand? (seeing a set on the flop can blind you to that flush)
6 --- What is your record with this hand? (are pocket pairs causing you to donk pre flop)

Yes, there will be times when you did everything right and lose. Nature of random chance. However, you should be examining more than just the last hand.

Most important, work on that tilt issue you said you have. That's the very first thing you need to do.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:34 AM
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lol wow 2 whole days? how many games??? did you read my friend lost 800 buyins? that
is 800 games before he broke out of it. if you flipped that coin 3 or 400 thousand times than maybe something is wrong. Until you get a clue about stats and probabilities and get off of your I can read people and tell what cards are coming theory you will be a loser, maybe you will never win, who knows... and also variance also has an impact on poor play, maybe all your wins are the other side of variance, and now your horrible play being beaten constantly is the variance turn around
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:38 AM
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If you think about it, if you flip a coin enough times you're bound to get a streak of ten heads in a row. This still would happen even if you switched coins. So I wouldn't count out the fact that it's just a losing streak, but you might be tilting a little from the losses and your game might be suffering. I would re-evaluate why I've been losing. Is it just bad beats and suckouts? Or did I make poor decisions? Either way some time off wouldn't be a bad idea. Poker is just a whole lot of decision making and if you bombard your mind with them for long enough I'm sure everyone's performance would drop. Rest, regroup, try again. Hope that helps.

Good Luck,
Syd
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:39 AM
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cheers cairn at least thats a respectable answer i can understand and give some thought to,i get really anoyed because i have beat other sites and well have a proper struggle to get any consistency on this one,so you must understand why i cant understand why,people keep qouting im a bad player when im not,its just seems so much harder on here than all the other places i play.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:41 AM
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If you think about it, if you flip a coin enough times you're bound to get a streak of ten heads in a row. This still would happen even if you switched coins. So I wouldn't count out the fact that it's just a losing streak, but you might be tilting a little from the losses and your game might be suffering. I would re-evaluate why I've been losing. Is it just bad beats and suckouts? Or did I make poor decisions? Either way some time off wouldn't be a bad idea. Poker is just a whole lot of decision making and if you bombard your mind with them for long enough I'm sure everyone's performance would drop. Rest, regroup, try again. Hope that helps.

Good Luck,
Syd
cheers syd good point good input
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:41 AM
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Seems like Cairn beat me to it :P I think my previous post should just have said "Listen to Cairn."
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:44 AM
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lol wow 2 whole days? how many games??? did you read my friend lost 800 buyins? that
is 800 games before he broke out of it. if you flipped that coin 3 or 400 thousand times than maybe something is wrong. Until you get a clue about stats and probabilities and get off of your I can read people and tell what cards are coming theory you will be a loser, maybe you will never win, who knows... and also variance also has an impact on poor play, maybe all your wins are the other side of variance, and now your horrible play being beaten constantly is the variance turn around
cheers roomik sry for the bad comments but to say im just a whiner when im on this forum to fiquer myself out is not good feedback,yes im quick to react but because of this im able to stop myself tilting away my entire bankroll,
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:45 AM
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Hi Holdemace,

Even the greatest players have very bad days. Their true greatness is to be able to pick themselves back up, learn from where they went wrong, and get back on a winning streak again.

Watch as many videos as you can, read as much theory as you can, and complete the courses, staring with the basic and core course.

These will really help you with your game. You have to put the work in to get the results and that applies to everyone.

Raiser
sorry royal just in a tilt again arent i?
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:00 AM
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800? Sure makes my 19-game losing streak seem like a minor thing. And yeah, I'm talking chips here. One day, Moxie, one day.




Seriously though, we all go through those downswings. If you think getting your butt kicked in a tourney, think what the ring player must be feeling like. Varience is a real bankroll kicker. A streak like roomik17 described would eliminate everyone who couldn't afford such losses.

Heck, my minor blip had me yanking my quills. You question everything, including the validity of the software. Perhaps that's the biggest difference between us. Real numbers proved the honesty of the site. Until you get over the paranoia, you will always rely on luck. Frank Sinatra told you about her, and you had better listen.

Same thing here. Start examining your game. Ask yourself why you lost, and the answer isn't "the other guy got lucky."

1 --- Did you have as strong a hand as you thought? (your outs versus his)
2 --- When did your opponent beat you? (pre flop, post flop, turn, river)
3 --- When did you suspect he had the better hand? (sometimes that inner voice is a real pro)
4 --- How hard did you push? (I'm still working on betting strategy)
5 --- Did you fall in love with your hand? (seeing a set on the flop can blind you to that flush)
6 --- What is your record with this hand? (are pocket pairs causing you to donk pre flop)

Yes, there will be times when you did everything right and lose. Nature of random chance. However, you should be examining more than just the last hand.

Most important, work on that tilt issue you said you have. That's the very first thing you need to do.
as always the Hedgehog has such wisdom for you. Your mission if you choose to accept it ........... is to stop your whining study your game and realise that you have a losing record over 360 days because you are making the same mistakes over and over.
there are so many people in here that have turned their game around because of the free education that they can get here.
Accept the help and change or don't and keep losing.

 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:02 AM
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right guys great one all my bad beats gone now sufering for 2 days good beats and split pots?
why does the variance not change when i change tables?
you know what im thinking agin but wont say it pleae explain b4 i go mad..
I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and understand where you're coming from holdemace. Because if a person believes that they can't win, then why would they continue to spend money?

The closest thing I can see being possibly similar is my former 'addiction' to diet Coke. I mean like all the health experts say it's not good because the more you drink, the more you crave sweets, and therefore the more sweets you wind up eating, etc. So why couldn't I just stop drinking it? It didn't make 'sense', really.

I guess physically, it was hard, if not impossible to just stop. I had to do it in 'steps' ... switch to regular Coke, which was more filling. And then wean myself off of Coke into gummy candies. And then off of gummy candies into fruit. Took me like a year, no kidding.

I barely drink soda any more, mostly because I don't crave it. But when I do drink it, it's not like I'm feeding my cravings sort of a deal.

holdem ... poker's lots of fun, but to be able to play responsibly, people need to be tell what they have control over and what they don't, and be able to take responsibility for the stuff that they do have control over (the decision-making in tough hands), and let go of the stuff that they don't have control over (variance).

If somebody's not in that 'zone' ... maybe it's like my diet Coke addiction ... time to take control by cutting back? Until you're in the position of choosing how much variance you're willing to subject yourself to, anyways? Also, the feedback you've been getting is soo top notch (from Cairn, Cowboy, Moxie, ToptheCat, etc, etc, etc, etc ... ) if you could get to a point where you could start incorporating it into your game - like that would be a really good place to be if you could find a way to get there!

GL!

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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:04 AM
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you are such a heckler does someone pay you for this? i do get it and understand everything about poker,have won on every internet poker site except this one,constant coolers all the time yes you can argue its how many hands you see,but thats my argument 2 days and no variance change come on,if i entered a live tourney and had countless bad cards,the next tourney i won expect better because of variance so why is my coin landing on tails for two days,on different tables different formats etc,and the truth is you cant answer that can you?

Want to know why you're being heckled? Very simple answer, but I'll not say it here.



Let's examine this last statement. If you consistently win on another site, why would you be changing to PokerStars? Regardless of their size, I would want to stay where I consistently win. Since you are consistently winning on these other sites, ask yourself why.

1 --- Is it the quality of the players?
2 --- Is it the some game feature?
3 --- Get the proof (compare your stats)


Regarding the line about live tourneys, not true. Each hand is an independent variable. That is, if a roulette wheel comes up red six consecutive times, it must come up black. Casinos love this mindset. The truth is different. Every spin is the same, 49% probability of red or black. What happened before is meaningless. Same in tourneys. Trashy hands in one doesn't entitle you to golden ones in the next.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:13 AM
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as always the Hedgehog has such wisdom for you. Your mission if you choose to accept it ........... is to stop your whining study your game and realise that you have a losing record over 360 days because you are making the same mistakes over and over.
there are so many people in here that have turned their game around because of the free education that they can get here.
Accept the help and change or don't and keep losing.

i am excepting the help on here and have watched loads of the vids etc,whining no ,talking rubbish some times and trying to understand yes,i thought the forum was here to deal with the whining and put people straight,but to say its whining? thats not helpfull is it?.
My problem is super tilt i know it ,everyone knows it,i call when i know ive lost,why i ask myself time and time again,i messed about that much on this site i just cant break the habbit,and i except the challenge,i know i make them mistakes,i should fold when im beat,
What i have learnt so far...
colour code my opps accordingly
posistion play
bankroll management
not to shove premiums unless need to
nl cash tables
sngs

i am listening and i am learning

conclusion far better players on here than any other site?
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:21 AM
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i just cant break the habbit
What did you used to do with your leisure time before starting up with poker? Maybe you can go back to that for a bit ... like increase the ratio of that to poker (more the other thing, less poker)?
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:49 AM
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What did you used to do with your leisure time before starting up with poker? Maybe you can go back to that for a bit ... like increase the ratio of that to poker (more the other thing, less poker)?
cheers sam yea i should i play far to much lessening my odds in general,like to go fishing but its winter grrrr lol thx you are right though.
 

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