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Losing with the Best Hand...and Happy about it! - Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:55 AM
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How many times have you gotten all in preflop with the best hand only to lose? Well, in my case, it happens nearly every tourney I play... and I'm happy about that! Here is why:

I play TAG poker. The few hands I play, I play aggressively. Getting all in with the best hand is proof that I have made the right evaluation of the situation. Whatever happens after all the decisions are made is less important.

If I get all in preflop holding AK vs the maniac chipleader holding Ax, 73% of the time I'm doubling up - Great! But, 27% of the time I'm getting stacked. Rather than ranting and going on tilt. Just say to yourself: "Right move, Wrong result" and move on to the next tourney.

I once lost 14 consecutive KK all in hands. Yes, I tilted lol. But then I looked at my stats and saw that I had nonetheless won with KK 84% of the time. I was actually ahead of the 82% probability!

My point being: If you want to have fun playing tourneys and are tight, then get used to losing with the better hand. Most of the tourneys that you don't take 1st in will end with a good starting hand not holding up. That is poker.

GL

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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:28 PM
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Great post Roland!

You're absolutely correct.

Players forget most of the time that the goal is to make the best decisions while in the hand and only look at the results. Also, most remember the losses, but not the good number of winning hands when they were ahead.

Your way is the right way to go about it.

Good luck at the tables.

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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:38 PM
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Great post Roland!

You're absolutely correct.


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Thanks! From the frustration here, I thought some members might need a reminder, and after a bad string of 3/45 turbos, I needed to remind myself as well

Cheers
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Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:23 PM
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thanks Roland GTX, i just come on here after some guy called my 4 bet allin on the flop with A high and hit the river now lost 5 in arow. reading your post is exactly what i needed to read at just the right time. I've had a good month up to now so i've kinda been expecting to hit a downswing. gotta take the rough with the smooth.. great post thanks again,
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Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:32 PM
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i post my bad beats etc as theropy lol,sat here all day on the forum rather than tilting away my br playing at the tables,
great post well said
 
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Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:46 PM
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thanks Roland GTX, i just come on here after some guy called my 4 bet allin on the flop with A high and hit the river now lost 5 in arow. reading your post is exactly what i needed to read at just the right time. I've had a good month up to now so i've kinda been expecting to hit a downswing. gotta take the rough with the smooth.. great post thanks again,
bikerzaine
I'm glad it helped you out! GL

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Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:51 PM
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i post my bad beats etc as theropy lol,sat here all day on the forum rather than tilting away my br playing at the tables,
great post well said
I do the same on my other poker blog LOL!

I've been chasing you around the forum all day giving what is most likely bad advice while I was supposed to be working. Oh well, at least I have my priorities straight...

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Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:54 PM
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I do the same on my other poker blog LOL!

I've been chasing you around the forum all day giving what is most likely bad advice while I was supposed to be working. Oh well, at least I have my priorities straight...

Roland GTX
ahahah lol and i do take all advice in from all players hopefully with different incite and then i can put 2 and 2 together and probably still come up with 3 lol.
 
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Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:34 PM
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Good post Roland
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 05:43 PM
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If you are getting it in ahead every single time, then odds are you will win eventually. They have to beat the odds to win against you and they can't do it every time.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012, 03:38 AM
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If you are getting it in ahead every single time, then odds are you will win eventually. They have to beat the odds to win against you and they can't do it every time.
Hi there! I get the gist of your point; however, let me just add a bit about probability to ensure we are all on the same page. Remember the classic coin example:

If you flip a normal coin, there is a 50% probability to flip heads and 50% probability that you will flip tails. We all agree on this point, but what if I told you that I had just flipped heads 10 times in a row. What is the probability now that I'll flip heads on my next flip? Well... It is still 50%. Past events do not affect the outome of flipping a coin. The coin has only two sides and an equal chance of landing on each regardless.

Now, what is the probability that I will flip heads on the next two consecutive flips? Here we need two things to happen. The first flip has a 50% probability of being heads. The second flip also has 50%. To determine the probability of both of the events happening we multiply the two indivitual probabilities together. Thus .50 x .50 = .25. So, the probability of flipping heads on two consecutive flips is 25%.

Make sure you don't confuse these two seperate scenarios!

GL and have fun at the tables

Roland GTX
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012, 04:17 AM
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Hi there! I get the gist of your point; however, let me just add a bit about probability to ensure we are all on the same page. Remember the classic coin example:

If you flip a normal coin, there is a 50% probability to flip heads and 50% probability that you will flip tails. We all agree on this point, but what if I told you that I had just flipped heads 10 times in a row. What is the probability now that I'll flip heads on my next flip? Well... It is still 50%. Past events do not affect the outome of flipping a coin. The coin has only two sides and an equal chance of landing on each regardless.

Now, what is the probability that I will flip heads on the next two consecutive flips? Here we need two things to happen. The first flip has a 50% probability of being heads. The second flip also has 50%. To determine the probability of both of the events happening we multiply the two indivitual probabilities together. Thus .50 x .50 = .25. So, the probability of flipping heads on two consecutive flips is 25%.

Make sure you don't confuse these two seperate scenarios!

GL and have fun at the tables

Roland GTX
This looks like a post that was posted last year by me, explaining differences between odds, and probabilities.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012, 04:29 AM
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Great post Roland!

You're absolutely correct.

Players forget most of the time that the goal is to make the best decisions while in the hand and only look at the results. Also, most remember the losses, but not the good number of winning hands when they were ahead.

Your way is the right way to go about it.

Good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)
JWK, how many times do you have to make right decisions, before you should expect results??
These players here are getting their asses handed to them on a plate. Results aren't important??
Is that why so many use OPR/sharkscope?? If decisions are more important than the outcome, why does PS send all their results to OPR/sharkscope??, why not send the right decisions to OPR, and have rankings based on decisions?? I'm sure the guy that cracked my Aces, and in turn cashed in the tourney doesn't care that I made the right decision, nor the players that are looking up my stats on OPR.

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Sat Feb 04, 2012, 04:41 AM
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Are you on TILT stake

Chuckkky, no, indeed, I'm seeing things oh so clear for the first time in a while, the smokescreen has cleared.

Continue to play with a chickens red-coloured glasses. I'm taking mine off.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012, 05:22 AM
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The only way to win at this game is Deception.

Yeah, no shyt, like PSO's motto?? How many "Stars" has PSO made again?? They decieve us, we keep depositting, and they keep winning.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012, 06:46 AM
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This looks like a post that was posted last year by me, explaining differences between odds, and probabilities.
No plagerism intended! I'm new here

I just wanted to reiterate that getting your AA cracked on one table doesn't improve your odds the next time you pick up AA. If you think you are "entitled" to win a hand, then you are in Tiltville!

Results are important no doubt. However how do you go about achieving positive results?
1. You can try to consistantly make +ev moves and assume that the results will follow. 10 games isn't enough to see this, but a perhaps a couple thousand are. It depends what you are playing.
2. You can take the bingo method, shove every hand and hope you get lucky. It happens!

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012, 07:23 AM
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And the highlighted quote can be likened to the facts of life. Basket of 10 apples with 1 rotten in it, won't sell... We look at things as half empty instead of half full... Humans, thrive and enjoy on living in misery. We just won't accept it yet.

Vegas casinos -- people enjoy losing!! That's why they keep on coming back, everyday!! Make them win, and they won't be back until after they've squandered it elsewhere...

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Great post Roland!

You're absolutely correct.

Players forget most of the time that the goal is to make the best decisions while in the hand and only look at the results. Also, most remember the losses, but not the good number of winning hands when they were ahead.
Your way is the right way to go about it.

Good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)
 

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