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When to steal Blinds? - Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:02 PM
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This is a hand from a 14 man small tourney. Starting chips were 3000 and we are on final table.

I think i should have made a move on the Blinds here but....well i didn't

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Effsea - had been on left on our other table and would appear to be able to read my style to a T. He seems to be playing a LAG style in this tourney but has been kicking me all over the table post flop.

Tom905 - seems solid I know he is in at least one other tourney and might be distracted. He is Very tight and could in my eyes be a good steal candidate

JWK24 - Again a very solid player An Adaptive Tight player, with some good reads on the table. has defended some steal attempts previously to this.



So should i raise, jam or is it ok to give up here?

oh and if its reliant this is a league game Knock out game. 1st 4 will score points and 1st 3 get the money.


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Last edited by Grade b; Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 05:07 PM.. Reason: Added information
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:56 PM
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let the small stacks beat on each other till you get a solid hand if your lucky your in the money with no risk.
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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:02 PM
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with KJ late position late stages a standard raise is good and let them do what they want to do if they reraised all in it's your call if you gonna call or not

personally, with a big stack I like to keep pressuring my opp so that when i got a good hand i will get paid
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:40 PM
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Hi Grade b,

5 handed and the big stack out, I would open KJ here. I think folding is too tight in this spot and limping is certainly out of the question as we want to seize the initiative and give ourselves a chance to win the blinds and antes. I think shoving is not very attractive on these stacks, if we run into a hand strong enough to call us from effsea or JWK we'll be crushed with KJ and we don't really want to get in 15 bb's bad when we only have 26 ourselves. I would make my standard open of around 2.2 x, with my plan being to fold to a 3b from one of the bigger stacks, and call Tom obviously since he's super short. Normally I'm not looking to raise fold too often vs. 15 bb stacks but in this case with these stack dynamics and 4th place getting league points, I don't think eff or JWK will be 3-betting you light here, so a standard open should show a nice profit and we can pass to one of their 3-bets without much concern.

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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:57 PM
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Hey grade b!

Well, I can give a little extra info on this one since I was in the hand.

First off, I agree with a good bit of the info in your reads and having a read on the opps is a big part of blind stealing. I want to be stealing with the tighter players left to act and the laggier ones already having acted.

With the laggiest player left in the hand acting after me, I would actually want to be stealing with a much tighter range than normal, as the button could easily call or raise, and if the SB is going to play the hand, they're obviously shoving.
Another thing to consider is me, with my stack in the BB, I'm in a prime spot and stack, 15BB, to re-steal here, which I would do to a steal attempt by either you or eff, as long as my hand had playable equity vs Tom's hand.

Also, this is the point bubble, so I would not want to be taking too many unnecessary chances that could cost me chip position. If either the button or BB shove over a steal attempt and KJ lost the hand, then that 10k stack goes from 2nd highest to 2nd lowest stack on the bubble, which can be a big problem.

If it was me with KJ here, I'm letting it go and waitng for the point bubble to bust or until I got a better hand. If I had Ax here, instead of K high, then stealing is an option... but with the table dynamic behind right now.. I'd most likely still pass on it.

If eff was on the other side of me and had folded where I was the button, then I'm playing KJ here against the blinds, expecting the SB to call.

I looked back in my hand histories for this hand to see what I had and I was folding regardless with 10 4 off.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:11 AM
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ty everyone for your thoughts,

This is still a close call in my head, but i think the deciding factor is Effsea and the read i have on him.

here is he whole hand for those who where wondering.



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Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:13 AM
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it's nuts vs nuts
 
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KJ steal from CO, with LAG in BTN - Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:39 AM
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This is a hand from a 14 man small tourney. Starting chips were 3000 and we are on final table.

I think i should have made a move on the Blinds here but....well i didn't

Reads

Effsea - had been on left on our other table and would appear to be able to read my style to a T. He seems to be playing a LAG style in this tourney but has been kicking me all over the table post flop.

Tom905 - seems solid I know he is in at least one other tourney and might be distracted. He is Very tight and could in my eyes be a good steal candidate

JWK24 - Again a very solid player An Adaptive Tight player, with some good reads on the table. has defended some steal attempts previously to this.

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So should i raise, jam or is it ok to give up here?

oh and if its reliant this is a league game Knock out game. 1st 4 will score points and 1st 3 get the money.

Grade b
I've been in this spot before... the player directly on your left 'owns' you; it's quite unsettling. Once a Lag smells fear, he’s going for the jugular! Unfortunately, even when you catch some part of the flop, you have to play it OOP against Effsea (except when your on the BTN).

My plan would be to raise 2X (all you need at this point of the game), and see what Effsea does. This situation is different than the rest of the tourney because, you’re on the ‘point’ bubble; that may be enough for Effsea not to 3bet you.

His options are as follows:

If Effsea folds:
your next decision will be what to do if JWK24 shoves. As your read stated, he’s a tight player, PLUS he is facing elimination on the bubble (you have him covered). It may look like you woke up with a premium hand, especially because you’ve been playing a tighter style, with Effsea on your left. If JWK24 shoves, I would fold with KJ.

If Effsea calls:
(1) He might be setting you up to outplay you post flop. There will be an SPR of 2 or less (blinds still to act). If JWK24 shoves, you fold. If JWK24 folds, or calls, your plan is to commit with top pair.
(2) He might be setting up a potential squeeze play. If Jwk24 shoves, you fold.

If Effsea shoves (a raise would be greater than 1/3 his stack):
(1) If JWK24 calls (or shoves over, which is what he’ll do, if involved in the pot), you fold.
(2) If JWK24 folds... You have a strong hand, and Effsea's been 'playing' you all night. There's a lot of dead money in the pot, about half the amount of that which you need to call. If you think about it equity wise, you'll need around 40% equity to break even.

I know this is a tourney, and the chips you lose are worth more than the chips you win; but having said that, you may very often have the best hand going in; if you lose you still have a chance to make both bubbles. However, if you win, you will be adding close to 7000 chips to your stack; you'll have a good chance of taking down the tourney; and you'll be one of two overwhelming chip leaders, that can now, bully the table (especially that you just got rid of Effsea). The table will consist of short stacked tight players to your left, and the other big stack on your right (perfect position for you).

With your tight image, you’re really hoping to take the pot down with your raise; the blinds are tight, and this is a bubble.
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Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:25 PM
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thank everyone for thoughts so far. I shall definatly be thinking of them on Sunday when i come across these vilians once again.


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