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You choose the ACTION! (Table reads, and pre flop #1)

View Poll Results: What do we do pre flop with Kh Qh?
1) FOLD 0 0%
2) LIMP, by calling $5. 5 45.45%
3) RAISE SMALL, making it between $10 and $20 to go. 2 18.18%
4) RAISE MEDIUM, making it between $21 and $40 to go. 3 27.27%
5) RAISE LARGE, making it between $41 and $80 to go. 0 0%
6) RAISE HUGE, making it between $81 and all in to go. 0 0%
BLANK (for JDean to view poll progress. Plz do not select) 1 9.09%
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You choose the ACTION! (Table reads, and pre flop #1) - Thu Feb 02, 2012, 07:53 PM
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Time for installment #2 of "You choose the ACTION!"...

We wander back up to the desk up front, and say "Hey Sophie, I think I'll take the $2/$5 seat if you don't mind, but could you put me on the 1/2 list, just in case?"

"Sure zhing _______, go ahead and sit down!"

So we move over to the 2/5, say hello to everyone, cash in 1 of our purple chips with the dealer (It is a max cap $500 BI) and take a seat...

After half an hour, we have these working reads on our opponents (after about 1 orbit):

Seat 1: Dentist, $1250 when we sit, $1235 now.
We really are not sure if he is as bad as we remember, but we do know that he has played 2 hands since we have been here.
#1 he raised up over 3 limpers, by making it $225 to go. All folded.
He laughed about it, called all the table "suckers", and tabled 97o face up.
In the other hand, he called a pre flop raise, then mucked the flop (see hand vs. Reg 2 below).

Seat 2: Reg 1, $800 when we sit, $1058 now.
He is pretty solid, as we remembered.
He has only entered 1 hand since we sat, with AKs in his BB.

The kid 3rd to act open limped (Grandma had sat out to use the rest room), Dentist called, and Reg 1 raised, making it $35 to go.
Kid called, Dentist called.
He flopped the nut flush draw with 2 overs, versus the Kid in Seat 6, and Dentist.
Dentist checked, Reg 1 bet $65. Kid flatted. Dentist folded.
Turn came a blank, and Reg 1 checked. Kid bet $65 into the $235 pot. Reg 1 called.
River hit Reg 1's nut flush, and he led for $100, putting the Kid all in.
Kid pondered for like 30 seconds, sighed and called. He tabled bottom set, and lost.
Kid screamed out "damn suck out! I knew it!", and re-bought for $500.
Reg 1 stacked $260, and went up to $1060.

Seat 3: Unknown middle 50's well dressed man, $400 when we sat, $358 now.
Has played 3 hands since we sat, limp/folding 2, and limp/calling a raise only to fold on the flop.
He is pretty quiet, and is not saying much.

Seat 4: Reg 2, $600 when we sat, $593 now.
Has not played a hand since we sat, but seems to be running card dead.
Last couple hands he seems to be muttering before he is mucking, especially in LP when he sees raises ahead of him.
We get the feeling he may be losing a little bit of patience.

Seat 5: Unknown mid 20's woman, $525 when we sat. $532 now.
She has not shown down any hands yet, but has been involved in 4, either as a limper, or a raiser.
She took down a hand on the flop that she raised versus Seat 3 who limp/called, she limp/folded to a big bet by the Dentist,
She button raised and took the blinds from kid and Grandma, and she limp/folded the flop 1 other time.

Seat 6: Unknown kid who seems a bit frustrated, $225 when we sat. Re-bought, $480 now.
Got stacked, and re-bought for $500. Has limped or raised every pot since getting stacked (6 in a row).

Seat 7: Unknown Grandmother type, $375 when we sat. $368 now.
Missed about half the time by being gone from the table, and has not entered a pot in the time we have been here.

Seat 8: Unknown mid 30's/early 40's guy, $475, but as you stand there, you see him pull a green chip from his stack and top up to $500. $488 now.
Limped along in position in 1 pot, but folded on the flop. Very quiet, and seems like he takes a quite of bit of time with each decision; a very deliberate type.

Seat 9: US. We sat with $500, and waited until our BB to play a hand. Neither blind saw us with a playable holding, so we mucked. We have $493 now, and are on the button.

ACTION:


SB: Dentist (seat 1)
BB: Reg 1 (seat 2)
BTN: Us (seat 9)

Action folds to mid 20's girl in seat 5; she limps for $5.
Kid in seat 6 calls.
Grandma in seat 7 folds.
Mid 30's/early 40's guy in seat 8 calls as well.

We look to our left and see the Dentist sititng with his hands on his cards, and he licks his lips quickly once.
Reg 1 has not yet looked at his cards, and is watching the action.

Pot = $22 when it comes to us.

We look at our cards and see Kh Qh.

What do we do?

1) FOLD
2) LIMP, by calling $5.
3) RAISE SMALL, making it between $10 and $20 to go.
4) RAISE MEDIUM, making it between $21 and $40 to go.
5) RAISE LARGE, making it between $41 and $80 to go.
6) RAISE HUGE, making it between $81 and all in to go.

Again, please explain why you select your choice in a post so we can all discuss.

Thanks!

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Thu Feb 02, 2012, 08:11 PM
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Option 2

I will take the pasive seat in exchange for position.
The three players that may potentially be in the hand you have reads on.
Reg is pretty tight but still may be inclined to make a move at a big pot.
Girl hasnt shown down a hand and will lean towards bluffing than show down a weak hand,potential slow play.
Dentist is giving of a tell(fasle or real) he is making it known that he will be making a move at this pot.
Checked around on flop you could just steal it.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2012, 08:17 PM
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im raising every time with limpers
1.to try narrow the pot down
2.to test the strenght of my hand against people acting last and the limpers
3.best part of a royal flush with loads of outs
4.the guy licking his lips might just be thirsty lol but if he reraised then people before you to act may give you implied podd odds
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2012, 10:55 PM
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Humm,

So I have K high, If its folded to me i would raise here, but its not so keep the pot small while I have my K high and see what the dentist thinks of his juicy hand that has him licking his lips.



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Thu Feb 02, 2012, 10:55 PM
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BTW wouldn't the pot be $22 (3 Limpers + BB +SB) rather then $27?

I would go for option 4 for about $30-$35, If everyone folds then I will win $22 uncontested which is not bad. If I get called, I will still have positional advantage. By raising I would take the initiative pre-flop and start to build the pot.

If I over limp the dentist might make a huge move again as he did previously over 3 limpers then it would be difficult to call. If he decides to call which is fine as I will have position on him.

The reg in the BB could be a concern but as he is playing very tight so we can assume that he would only get involved with a good hand especially being OOP. We can evaluate the situation if he decides to get involved.

Mid 20's girl has already limped twice and once folded pre-flop to a raise and another time folded on the flop. So she would probably fold and if she decides to call we have the positional advantage.

The kid is obviously tilting so if we can isolate him and play heads up that would be great.

Mid 30's guy appears to be passive and maybe playing fit or fold.

Then again I don't have any experience of live play so I don't know much about live tells so not sure what it means someone is licking their lips as they are looking at their hand. So it would be interesting to see what everyone else thinks.

Cheers.

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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 12:54 AM
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BTW wouldn't the pot be $22 (3 Limpers + BB +SB) rather then $27?

I would go for option 4 for about $30-$35, If everyone folds then I will win $22 uncontested which is not bad. If I get called, I will still have positional advantage. By raising I would take the initiative pre-flop and start to build the pot.

If I over limp the dentist might make a huge move again as he did previously over 3 limpers then it would be difficult to call. If he decides to call which is fine as I will have position on him.

The reg in the BB could be a concern but as he is playing very tight so we can assume that he would only get involved with a good hand especially being OOP. We can evaluate the situation if he decides to get involved.

Mid 20's girl has already limped twice and once folded pre-flop to a raise and another time folded on the flop. So she would probably fold and if she decides to call we have the positional advantage.

The kid is obviously tilting so if we can isolate him and play heads up that would be great.

Mid 30's guy appears to be passive and maybe playing fit or fold.

Then again I don't have any experience of live play so I don't know much about live tells so not sure what it means someone is licking their lips as they are looking at their hand. So it would be interesting to see what everyone else thinks.

Cheers.
You are correct. Pot is $22, not $27. Sorry, I edited.

By the way: http://www.bluffmagazine.com/magazin...varro-1332.htm


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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 01:03 AM
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I'm limping here. If I had solid reads here, I may consider raising, but with only a limited amount of info on the opps, I limp and get to play the hand IN POSITION, with a broadway suited connector.


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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 03:51 AM
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I'm min-raising.
I guess I don't mind seeing a flop, hand like that, lots of outs and all, signalling I have a hand may slow down the dentist and the other guy and make a c-bet post-flop more credible in case of a semi-bluff.
It may also help push out a limper or two, including the BB, who may then hit something on the flop with you know.

If I get mega-shoved preflop or I totally miss the flop, it's still cheap enough to get out of the way.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 11:20 AM
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i limp here,

1st hand to play, decent starting hand which i'm happy to raise or call a reasonable raise with but not necessarily a reraise.

here, in a possible 6-way pot the raise would have to be too large anf bloat the pot too much for king high, so i'd limp.

in position i want to keep the pot smallish and hopefully not face a lot of action preflop from the dentist and the reg in the bb.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 11:24 AM
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You are correct. Pot is $22, not $27. Sorry, I edited.

By the way: http://www.bluffmagazine.com/magazin...varro-1332.htm
Hi! JDean,

Thanks for the link, very interesting article. Sorry didn't mean to nit pick about the pot but I thought the size of the pot pre-flop could a factor in your decision.

Cheers.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 11:34 AM
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Hi! JDean,

Thanks for the link, very interesting article. Sorry didn't mean to nit pick about the pot but I thought the size of the pot pre-flop could a factor in your decision.

Cheers.
Oh No Dedeyez, it definately has an effect on our thinking, so it IS very important!

Thank you for pointing it out!

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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 03:19 PM
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I'll limp in... KQs plays well multi-way and if the dentist pops it we'll be able to profitably flat in position to any normal sized raise. If we raise this ourselves and the dentist puts in a solid 3b, we won't be able to call, and I would hate to be raise/folding a hand that has good post flop playability and position.

Also, we don't know yet that the dentist is going to raise for sure (although it looks like it... here's how I know this is a fictitious story: I can never seem to get a good look at the 1 hole from the 9, so in real live I would never have the visual read. ). It seems likely he will complete his SB at least if we limp, and we want him IN the pot not OUT of the pot. By limping, we'll be able to play this pot with him whether he completes or raises, and that's really the ultimate goal here.

If the SB were another tight or solid player, and not the game's whale, I would generally raise this spot.

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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 08:02 PM
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In about 6 hours I will put up the results of our voting, and move on to the next decision point.

Get your votes in while you can!

Good discussion folks!

(BTW Dave, the dealer is a petite lady, who politely leans back after dealing to allow for maximum visual contact between players. )

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Fri Feb 03, 2012, 10:01 PM
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(BTW Dave, the dealer is a petite lady, who politely leans back after dealing to allow for maximum visual contact between players. )
Does she speak with a sexy accent too? I'm liking this casino more and more.


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Sat Feb 04, 2012, 12:23 PM
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OK!

The vote went in favor of LIMP on our KQh.

We will now move on to the next decision. Please check the thread I will put up entitled: You choose the ACTION! (Pre flop #2).


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