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Please analysis... - Thu Feb 09, 2012, 10:35 AM
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$5.50+R 15K Guaranteed.. Very deep into tourney...

 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 10:52 AM
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not an analyzer, but when you call the initial raise and then hit the flop and fold...I'm curious why you would fold when you hit top pair, top kicker after calling the initial raise...if you put your opponent on A K or KK or AA then why call the initial raise? Some more info is needed about your opp. such as what kind of read did you have on him and what kind of range did you put him on up to this point?
Hope this has been helpful...
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 10:59 AM
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I wasn't paying attention really... but he usually flats twas the first time he reraised the flop... so I folded coz I haven't seen him showdown yet...

I layed it down coz the guy to my left is one hardcore player... early stages he was chip leader and then got bumped down to almost nothing... and here he is... I checked the history of other tables, and saw him grinding his way up again... and he's good. He probably got heavy hit by a blind pocket pair such as 2s or 3s...

As for the reraiser, he's rather tight... he folded a min 3-bet I did whilst the pot was already big at that time being there were 4 callers of 12000 each to his raise... I reraised to 28000 and they all folded except 1 shorstack of 58000 which went heads up with me showing qq against my aa...
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 11:02 AM
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Oh yeah, being the original raiser I placed him at best overpair... but could be holding 66 or worse hand would be Q trash and hit two pair...

I was thinking of calling but didn't want to give more pot odds to the player to my left so I folded and took the opportunity to read how they play...

Unfortunately they didn't showdown..
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 11:06 AM
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okay that helps a bit, but I gotta say if I hit a flop that hard, I'm calling and if I'm beat, well I'm beat...If I'm calling with A Q the only way I hit much harder than that is a boat, two pair, or a set, and while top pair, top kicker is not the most solid hand, I don't see how it could get much better after calling a pre-flop raise and then laying down when I hit...if I miss, easy fold, but unless you put your opp. on a set (which is possible) or two pair (which with the pre-flop raise and the board is unlikely) or as I said above KK AA I just don't think I could lay that down...but I guess we'll see what the experts say...just my two cents of course...
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 11:09 AM
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TY sir...
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 11:11 AM
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no problem, like I said, not a pro, just my two cents...hope it helps...
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 12:40 PM
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I'm no pro either, but I have played a bunch of mtts and often struggle in the later stages like you do in this example. Here is my take:

You are apparently deep in the tourney and shooting for a final table chance. You have a nice stack (what is the avg stack at this point?). Most importantly, you are out of position with two players already involved in the pot.

You have two viable lines:

1. You could simply fold preflop and wait for a better situation.

2. You can play the hand, but being out of position and two players already involved, I would want to make a solid reraise preflop rather than calling. I would probably raise about 35K. This does several things for us. Hopefully everyone folds and you win a nice pot without getting more involved. If not, hopefully you can get the hand heads up against a single player. This increases your chances of winning the hand regardless of your cards. If someone 4bets you, then you can make an easy fold without investing more chips. If you get a string of callers, then you have a difficult choice post flop, but with so many chips in it might have made the risk worth the reward.

As played, I agree with the other, you need to continue with the hand after flopping tptk.

GL

Roland GTX
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 01:32 PM
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Hi femson,this is how i see it,preflop you were given pot odds to call putting in 10k,think it was roughly 3-1.

Anyway I think the fold may of been easier with you been out off posistion and the blinds were only at 4k.

bb probably just called for pot odds so dont feel he was on a massive hand.

The flop, top pair,i quite like you check with been out of posistion,however a half size pot bet may of won the hand for you at that point,this would at least give you an idea of what the opp was holding,if you were reraised etc.

I think once you checked and then were bet,the only way you would no was to reraise,putting you in a possible tourney loss situation.

The fold then was the only option,out of posistion and hit what i call a mediocre hand with initial raisers. I thought you played the hand well enough but posistion and preflop the important decissions to think about here.

Hope this helps you
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 02:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland GTX View Post
I'm no pro either, but I have played a bunch of mtts and often struggle in the later stages like you do in this example. Here is my take:

You are apparently deep in the tourney and shooting for a final table chance. You have a nice stack (what is the avg stack at this point?). Most importantly, you are out of position with two players already involved in the pot.

You have two viable lines:

1. You could simply fold preflop and wait for a better situation.

2. You can play the hand, but being out of position and two players already involved, I would want to make a solid reraise preflop rather than calling. I would probably raise about 35K. This does several things for us. Hopefully everyone folds and you win a nice pot without getting more involved. If not, hopefully you can get the hand heads up against a single player. This increases your chances of winning the hand regardless of your cards. If someone 4bets you, then you can make an easy fold without investing more chips. If you get a string of callers, then you have a difficult choice post flop, but with so many chips in it might have made the risk worth the reward.

As played, I agree with the other, you need to continue with the hand after flopping tptk.

GL

Roland GTX
#2 is dead on. that's exactly how i saw things no point in playing AQs like this if ur not gonna at least reraise preflop
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012, 02:10 PM
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Hi Femson!

With a raise to 3BB and a caller, I'd just call here preflop. Yes, I could 3-bet to try and get HU, but I would not want to risk having to play a bloated multi-way pot out of position if more than one opp calls it.

The flop here is a very good one for AQs, as it gives top pair, top kicker on a board without a flush draw nor straight draw (there is a small straight draw, but 35 or 57 should have folded to the raise preflop.
In this situation, I'm leading here 100% of the time. I have a value hand and get to see how the opps react to my lead. By checking here, unless I'd check/shove, I'm giving up on the hand and if I was going to do that, then I'd have folded preflop. As played, after a bet and raise, with TPTK, I'm at least calling the 40k, if not 3-betting the flop.
Yes, the opp could have AA,KK or possibly a set, but there are also many other hands that I beat with TPTK (ex: AK, KQs, lower pkt pairs). I'm not folding on the flop here, especially when this could be my situation that I can win a big pot that could possibly get me toward a final table run.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


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