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open skill league - Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:36 AM
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PokerStars Hand #75336966714: Tournament #507112130, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (600/1200) - 2012/02/10 8:09:06 UTC [2012/02/10 3:09:06 ET]Table '507112130 584' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: Muttski (110452 in chips)
Seat 2: igrok487 (4810 in chips)
Seat 3: holdemace486 (12295 in chips)
Seat 4: Patrik Full (48385 in chips)
Seat 5: tineearth (26988 in chips)
Seat 6: mst32ro (84125 in chips)
Seat 7: ulenka1972 (63237 in chips)
Seat 8: trukobokop (104522 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: djamxo (1320 in chips)
Muttski: posts the ante 120
igrok487: posts the ante 120
holdemace486: posts the ante 120
Patrik Full: posts the ante 120
tineearth: posts the ante 120
mst32ro: posts the ante 120
ulenka1972: posts the ante 120
trukobokop: posts the ante 120
djamxo: posts the ante 120
tineearth: posts small blind 600
mst32ro: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to holdemace486 [Jc Ah]
ulenka1972: calls 1200
trukobokop: folds
djamxo: calls 1200 and is all-in
Muttski: folds
igrok487: folds
holdemace486: raises 1200 to 2400
Patrik Full: folds
tineearth: calls 1800
mst32ro: folds
ulenka1972: calls 1200
*** FLOP ***
[6h Jd Jh
]tineearth: checks
ulenka1972: checks
holdemace486: bets 1200
tineearth: calls 1200
ulenka1972: calls 1200
*** TURN ***
[6h Jd Jh] [2d]
tineearth: checks
ulenka1972: bets 1200
holdemace486: raises 7375 to 8575 and is all
-intineearth: folds
ulenka1972: calls 7375
*** RIVER ***
[6h Jd Jh 2d] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ulenka1972: shows [4d 6d] (a flush, Jack high)
holdemace486: shows [Jc Ah] (three of a kind, Jacks)
ulenka1972 collected 24350 from side pot
djamxo: shows [Ks Ac] (a pair of Jacks)
ulenka1972 collected 7080 from main pot
holdemace486 finished the tournament in 320th place
djamxo finished the tournament in 321st place

*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 31430 Main pot 7080. Side pot 24350. | Rake 0 Board [6h Jd Jh 2d 8d]Seat 1: Muttski folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: igrok487 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: holdemace486 showed [Jc Ah] and lost with three of a kind, JacksSeat 4: Patrik Full (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: tineearth (small blind) folded on the TurnSeat 6: mst32ro (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: ulenka1972 showed [4d 6d] and won (31430) with a flush, Jack highSeat 8: trukobokop folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: djamxo showed [Ks Ac] and lost with a pair of Jacks

i knew the opp was loose but wow,did i some way play this hand bad,what are your thougths should i have done something different maybe or just down to pure donk luck again?
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:42 PM
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Hi holdemace

I don't like how you played this at all.

Min-raising on your stack size is just never good, it will only serve to bloat the pot and encourage action from the big stacks (at the very least, the big stack is never ever folding his limp to a min-raise). You only have AJ high, you don't want to encourage multi-way action.

If you are going to put any chips in the pot with this hand, a shove is your best option. You only have a 10 bb stack, shoving gives you the best chance to isolate on the 1bb all in guy and thin the field, maximizing your chances to take down the pot and increase your stack.

In a standard pay structure I would be inclined to shove here and take my chances. As this is a league event and I'm not sure how the scoring will work for you folding might be ok (if there is a big point bubble now), but shoving is still probably right unless you're on a large point bubble.

IDK if it would change the outcome of this hand, if the loose limper would call off to your shove or not with 64s, but the result is irrelevant only the decision is important, and I think min-raising is the worst option personally.

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Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:05 PM
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As this is the Open Skill league it is important to know what stage of the tournament you are at. You have already run deep, into the top 325, so as the structure will now pay small increments per place but a big bonus if you do run very deep, I would be shoving this type of decent value hand preflop with 10BB. There is a lot of dead money if the table folds and you have good equity if you get looser calls from a big stack, and I would be looking for spots to double up+.

At this stage for me I don't want to just survive another 2-3 orbits but keep building a stack to get to the really high places where the points increase at a much higher rate. I'm not worried about busting here as this is already a good result.

Essentially at this stage I am playing more 'standard' than at earlier stages of the OSL. I would still burn the clock, and might shove nearly all my stack leaving a dollar behind.

Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:17 PM
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Hi Holdemace!

For a league game, there's really two ways I could go about this hand, especially if I'm already ITM... which means that I've gotten one of the large point jumps.

One is to shove preflop. The other is to make a std raise, which would be 2.5BB + 1BB for each limper, which is to raise to 5400. If I did this, then I would shove the rest on the flop.

By raising smaller preflop, then making a min bet on the flop, the opps are getting the right price to draw. When I have the best hand I want to be sure to bet enough to price out any draws.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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