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the big $5.50 - close to bubble - Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:11 PM
milehigh0874's Avatar
Since: Aug 2011
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okay im in early position, about 20 players from the bubble plenty of stacks have me covered and the blinds are both short stacked,i try to see a cheap flop and go from there,when the bb shoves i auto fold preferring to make it itm.
should i be more aggressive pre-flop?should i just abandon the hand pre-flop and save the blind?

Last edited by milehigh0874; Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 01:19 PM.. Reason: add question
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:40 PM
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Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 3,168
I like this hand a lot. You have some good questions here. Here's my take on the situation.

I think you should have shoved preflop instead of overlimping, and what makes it a shove for me is the antes in play. They reduce your stack size to only about 6.5bb, which makes taking down the initial pot with the limp much more valuable to you than you might think given your stack size (about a 30% increase to your stack if everyone folds to your shove). Your stack size is big enough so that you have an excellent amount of fold equity, and it's conceivable that the guy who limped in front of you has a weaker hand that he'll call with (weak players love to limp/call medium aces in spots like this, and you're crushing Ax). So not only is this a profitable bluffing spot (you could probably shove 44 and 76s here profitably), I think shoving AQo is for value against the limper's likely calling range. You could probably shove considerably wider than AQ here, although I don't really know how wide you could go.

After you get shoved on, arguments can be made for calling or folding, depending on the reads you have on the guy who shoved. Folding is definitely fine imo, but realize that the guy shoving is doing so over people who only limped and with a pot that represents a 44% increase to his stack if everyone folds. He could be very wide here, and if he's a good MTT player, AQo could be an easy call.

Welcome to the forum, btw.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:50 PM
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Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,788
Hi milehigh0874!

I don't like the initial limp here. With this being the bubble and an 11BB stack, it's either going to be a shove or a fold for me and in this situation due to the fact that basically any stack left can take me out, I'm mucking AQ immediately from UTG+1 after a limp from UTG.

Calling or making a std raise and then folding would not be an option for me here, as it's too much of a chip leak in my eyes to be making, especially at the bubble.
Cheap flops are great to be able to do early in a tourney, but around the bubble, I want to be putting pressure on the other stacks, especially the smaller ones or ones that I have position on. The smaller stacked opps are more likely to fold here, so that they can get ITM.

I would fold here and look for a spot to shove, either after the bubble, or when I'm in position and have less opps to act after me that could call. Although if I had a read that the other opps would all fold to a shove, then I'd definitely consider it... but would need to have reads on all the opps left to act.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


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