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RPH (Return Per Hour) trumps ROI. - Sun Feb 12, 2012, 08:29 PM
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I’ve had a higher ROI, in other NLHE games, but with 6 max SNG’s, I have a much higher RPH (Return Per Hour). This is because the games are quicker; this month my games are averaging 21.4 minutes. The RPH is more important than the ROI. You only have so many hours a day that you can play. RPH shows you the true value of your time. You may have to multi-table less 6 max games, then other formats, because the action gets around to you much faster. That being said, I still find it has a better return per hour.

Being a U.S. player, I’ve been playing on the PS highest level ‘play money’ tables. These tables play like the micro-stake games. At times I’ll see 3 and 4 star players competing; I guess they are honing their game, or practicing new styles.

This 1st ‘snap shot’ (LINK is below), shows the 'play chips' won by tourneys. On the left, HEM has the stats for the month of Jan. 2012. Unfortunately, HEM has a flaw in the software, it gets confused when you win over 7 figures. Last month I won over 21 million ‘play chips’. PS has a cap at 20 million; I guess no one needs a stash of a billion chips.
The numbers below show that my RPH was almost double my buy-in rate!
I highlighted the incorrect stats; the correct stats are as follows:
ROI%: 32.6
Winnings: 21,578,750
$/hr: 297,228 (RPH)
Average buy-in: 151,250

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx...7CCFF90B28!482

My time has been somewhat limited this month. I have only played 1/7 the amount of games, but made more than ¼ as many ‘play chips’. At this rate I would almost double the amount won last month, if I were to play as many games. I credit the higher RPH (almost quadruple my buy-in rate), to less distractions (TV, cooking, phone, email/posting, etc.), obviously I'm playing a much more attentive game. I also played most of the games this month with a fresher and clearer mind set. Possibly another reason my RPH has gone up so drastically, could be the time I spend on review, study, and replying to the MTT forum posts. Going over the MTT forum posts, and analyzing the hands, has given me a better understanding of the workings of NLHE.
Because I’m more familiar with different types of plays, and players, I’m able to make better decisions to maximize my profit and extract more money on my winning hands.

This 2nd ‘snap shot (LINK is below), shows my figures so far this month (Feb. 1 – Feb. 12). I highlighted my $/hr, and Average buy-in; as I said before, this is my criteria for which game is more profitable (not ROI).

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx...7CCFF90B28!482

If you haven’t tried 6 max SNG’s, give them a try. It takes a different skill set, but once you get comfortable, I think you’ll love the game as much as I do.

May the cards be with you.

Last edited by king_spadez1; Sun Feb 12, 2012 at 08:33 PM.. Reason: had to change LINKS
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:00 AM
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Interesting post, I like six max myself, although I haven't had nearly your success. I kinda hope all you Americans don't get back on here too soon, my win rate is liable to take a nosedive lol.

 
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Wed Feb 15, 2012, 12:18 AM
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I'd be really interested to see how your current experience would translate over to real money play. If you could crush the micros similarly to the high stakes 'play money' that would mean your learning a lot, and what your learning is largely correct.
 
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Wed Feb 15, 2012, 01:23 AM
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I played on .net for almost a year before I tried to move to real money. I took my initial 1K and ran it up to almost 300K (with not 1 reload cause I didn't know you could lol). By this time, I had won a couple of minor prizes in the Astronomer FR's, and PS was kind enough to contribute $5 to my BR.

Starting with $6.02, I have built my BR to $500+. There is a definite adjustment to be made moving from play money to real money, but I believe that those who can win at the higher stakes play money games certainly have at least the potential to be winning players with real money.

A lot of the Americans that are crushing the play money games were winning players prior to Black Friday, and they haven't gotten worse. A lot of them are still around, learning and wishing they lived in Canada (sorry my bad).

 
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Crushing the 'play stakes' - Wed Feb 15, 2012, 08:22 AM
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I'd be really interested to see how your current experience would translate over to real money play. If you could crush the micros similarly to the high stakes 'play money' that would mean your learning a lot, and what your learning is largely correct.
I'd love to find out how my skills would translate. Since 'Black Friday' my son started playing on other sites that accept U.S. players. Even though he still wins, he's not as comfortable because it seems like those sites have an abundance of 'action flops', and 'suck-outs'. Now he goes to the Borgata (Atlantic City), and plays a lot of 'live' NLHE cash, SNG's and MTT's. He found that the transition to live play wasn't as hard as he thought it would be. One of these weekends I'll have to give Atlantic City a shot. But first I'll have to read up on live 'tells', before I attempt live play. 'Caro's Book of Poker Tells' is on my list of must-reads.
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I played on .net for almost a year before I tried to move to real money. I took my initial 1K and ran it up to almost 300K (with not 1 reload cause I didn't know you could lol). By this time, I had won a couple of minor prizes in the Astronomer FR's, and PS was kind enough to contribute $5 to my BR.

Starting with $6.02, I have built my BR to $500+. There is a definite adjustment to be made moving from play money to real money, but I believe that those who can win at the higher stakes play money games certainly have at least the potential to be winning players with real money.

A lot of the Americans that are crushing the play money games were winning players prior to Black Friday, and they haven't gotten worse. A lot of them are still around, learning and wishing they lived in Canada (sorry my bad).

Very interesting. I've spent nearly a year honing my game in the 'play money' section. Actually part of that time (before Black Friday) I was able to pick up some cash playing freerolls. From your bio above, it seems like you never made a deposit, kudos to you for building your BR from scratch. How long have you been playing on-line, what games did you start playing, and what games are you playing now?
 
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Wed Feb 15, 2012, 10:01 AM
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I'd love to find out how my skills would translate. Since 'Black Friday' my son started playing on other sites that accept U.S. players. Even though he still wins, he's not as comfortable because it seems like those sites have an abundance of 'action flops', and 'suck-outs'. Now he goes to the Borgata (Atlantic City), and plays a lot of 'live' NLHE cash, SNG's and MTT's. He found that the transition to live play wasn't as hard as he thought it would be. One of these weekends I'll have to give Atlantic City a shot. But first I'll have to read up on live 'tells', before I attempt live play. 'Caro's Book of Poker Tells' is on my list of must-reads.
Regarding the live play - I recently made the transition from multitabling 6max cash online to $1/2 live cash in Delaware Casinos. It required some major adjustments and was a bit of a rough start, but in just under 20 hours of play I seem to have worked things out. How I wish I could go to AC... I placed first in a local tavern poker league and might be going to play the nationwide championship game in AC later this year. Would be a great excuse to go!

It is funny you mention Caro's Book Of Poker Tells. I bought that on Ebay a week or two ago and have been reading it the last couple of days. I was literally about to log off PSO and go reread through some of the tells so I can work on looking for them when I go to play poker tonight. Will be playing a session of $1/2 this evening at Harrington's Casino in Delaware.

Anyways, atleast 4/5 people at $1/2 live are bad, losing players and generally the play can be compared to 2NL online(maybe worse if you get a good table lol). Definitely get Caro's book though. From what I have read so far, and contrasting it with my personal experiences so far, it seems to be a really great book. Should be able to find it very cheap used, so it is an excellent investment of your time and money.

Been blogging about my live experiences. They are a bit lengthy, but could give you some insight into what it is like!
http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/blogs/?idblog=5674
 

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