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$2.20 MTT 10's in SB w/ few limpers - Tue Feb 14, 2012, 07:53 PM
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Hi! guys, No reads on the opp as literally this was his first hand.

Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner

I think we can safely eliminate A,K from the opp's range unless the opp is being very tricky which is possible but highly unlikely. Apart from that I had no idea what hand could the opp be limp calling than raising Q high, co-ordinated flop with.

Was the bet sizing pre-flop & on the flop ok and was it the right play to shove on the flop?

Cheers.

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Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:53 PM
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I can think of a few, a semi-high flush draw, 89 suited+, pocket jacks (I'm a nit, so sometimes I just call with hi-med pairs) K9 suited or off, QJ, QT (unlikely due to your blocker), JT, pocket nines (nit thing again), etc. (I haven't seen the whole hand here just the flop up to your bet).

Continuing, you wisely hid the results. Your initial bet is fine, but I thought your bet on the flop leaving 465 behind looked kind of bluffy, so maybe your opponent read it this way as well. I'm very interested to see the final result. Interesting hand.


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Wed Feb 15, 2012, 12:47 AM
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Continuing, you wisely hid the results. Your initial bet is fine, but I thought your bet on the flop leaving 465 behind looked kind of bluffy, so maybe your opponent read it this way as well. I'm very interested to see the final result. Interesting hand.

Hi! Joy,

Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated. My 3Bet on the flop is essentially an AI as it covers the effective stack so leaving 465 behind don't think should have an impact on the opp's decision or could it?? I would really like to hear the expert opinion and afterwards I will post the hand result.

Cheers.

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Wed Feb 15, 2012, 01:17 AM
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hey Dead,

pre - it's a good raise

flop -your 3bet here basically commits you to the pot so I think it's better that you shove, it's a pretty good hand to go broke so I will do the same because lot's of draws that can kill you
 
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Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:49 AM
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Hi deadeyz!

Is this what your std raise would be here? I try to use 3BB+1BB for each limper, but know that others vary it some. As long as it's a standard amount, I like the raise amount.

The flop is basically the best and worst that could happen. With pocket 10's, I want to flop a set, but this is a very dangerous board with a flush, multiple straights and combo draws available, IF the opp doesn't have a straight already. Since it's the first hand, I would not rule out AK from their range, as a player could limp/call with it, by being cautious and worried about a preflop shove.
I definitely want to make a value bet here, but even with a set, I could be an underdog in the hand.
Due to that, I'd make a 1/2 pot bet here (if the opp has a combo draw, then even a shove doesn't price the opp out). A 1/2 pot bet would price out a straight or flush draw, as would any larger amount and with this being the first hand, I wouldn't want to put myself in a situation where all my chips could go in when I had the worst hand.
Also, by making the 1/2 pot bet, if the opp decides to min-raise, then I wouldn't be pot committed yet and could just call and re-evaluate on the turn.
By raising 3/4 pot on the flop, the min raise does put me at the committment point. Since this is the bet that was made, I do like the 3-bet shove here, since I'm pot committed. Even if the opp has a straight already, I have 7 outs on the turn and 10 on the river (if I miss the turn) to get a full house.

I would have taken the line of std preflop raise, 1/2 pot bet on the flop, then called a min-raise (if that's what the opp would have done with the smaller bet). When the 7 comes on the turn, then I would have shoved. The shove on the turn would cut the opp's hand equity in half, compared to on the flop, due to only having 1 more street to see... so even if they were priced in on the flop, they could be priced out on the turn.

The amount of chips that I left behind really shouldn't affect the opp much. However, I've seen a few opps tilt from betting the exact amount of chips they have left, so I try to just use that number if I'm heads-up and putting an opp all-in.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Thu Feb 16, 2012, 06:18 AM
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Is this what your std raise would be here? I try to use 3BB+1BB for each limper, but know that others vary it some. As long as it's a standard amount, I like the raise amount.

John (JWK24)
Hi! John,

Thanks for analyzing the hand and all your comments guys. At this level probably my standard would be 2.5x + 1BB for each limper and I also added 1.5x for being OOP.

Here is how the hand played out. The opp flopped the straight w/ his 8,9o and given the way i'm running lately slim chance of me filling up on the turn or river.



Cheers.

Last edited by deadeyz; Thu Feb 16, 2012 at 06:23 AM.. Reason: amend
 

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