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Bluffing... - Sat Feb 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
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I know that in this limits one should very rarely bluff but was this spot to do so? I did it because the pot was big enough and the board paired and someone with a flush draw would be difficult to continue. Apart from fiftyfifty that others are regular...
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Fiftyfifty is a player that calls every rasie or reraise with anything..
Alza is a tag and from the check check I thought he had a AK..
Revenge is a TAG and might have calls with a pair smaller than mine...



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Sat Feb 18, 2012, 01:46 PM
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Hi Etienne.

I really do not see this as a bluff, but rather as betting somewhat thin value (compared to your description of the ranges behind) in an orphan pot.

In case you've never heard that term before, here is a definition:

An orphan pot is one where players seem to have little interested in the hand or winning the pot. It is often won by the first person to bet into it.

Your check on the flop is entirely reasonable with 77 versus the tight ranges you perceive as being behind you. When it checks through, no one has shown any real interest in this board; the pot has become an "orphan". With the 2 pairing the turn being so blank versus these ranges, there is a decent reason to think your 77 may be best now, so there is no reason NOT to stab at it.

If you think you are only getting called by better, then this is a "bluff" made in hopes better hands fold, but I suspect that over cards and flush draws MAY call because of the pot size at least some of the time. By betting here, you are really trying to extract VALUE from those hands with your 77.

So this is not really a "bluff" per se, as much as a simple situation of betting in a spot where you can possibly win a little bit more if you get called.

In orphan pots, when you have marginal value this is often far better to do than allowing it to (possibly) check through a second time.

Well played.

Hope it helps.

-JDean


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Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JDean View Post
Hi Etienne.

I really do not see this as a bluff, but rather as betting somewhat thin value (compared to your description of the ranges behind) in an orphan pot.

In case you've never heard that term before, here is a definition:

An orphan pot is one where players seem to have little interested in the hand or winning the pot. It is often won by the first person to bet into it.

Your check on the flop is entirely reasonable with 77 versus the tight ranges you perceive as being behind you. When it checks through, no one has shown any real interest in this board; the pot has become an "orphan". With the 2 pairing the turn being so blank versus these ranges, there is a decent reason to think your 77 may be best now, so there is no reason NOT to stab at it.

If you think you are only getting called by better, then this is a "bluff", but I suspect that over cards and flush draws MAY call because of the pot size at least some of the time. By betting here, you are really trying to extract VALUE from those hands with your 77.

So this is not really a "bluff" per se, as much as a simple situation of betting in a spot where you can possibly win a little bit more if you get called.

In orphan pots, when you have marginal value this is often far better to do than allowing it to (possibly) check through a second time.

Well played.

Hope it helps.

-JDean
 
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Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:07 PM
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I agree... a bluff by definition is a bet to which you think better hands will fold. This is not a bluff because:

1) No better hand is going to fold to it
2) When the flop checks around and a blank comes, it's likely no one even holds a better hand.

I like the bet, you can get thin value from smaller pairs and draws, and it denies 2 over cards from realizing their equity in the pot by folding them out.

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Sat Feb 18, 2012, 11:06 PM
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The timing works well here too, human nature makes us (me anyway), see the "monster under the bed", in this case a hand with a deuce in it. Nice play!

 

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