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Hand analysis ? - Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:06 AM
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Hey guys, you know when the hands are been analyzed, do they always get Analise from a TAG prospective, if so It would be interesting to see some LAG perspectives also.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:34 AM
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Hey Holdem, my question to you is why do you want them analysed from this perspective? Is it your style? I would say to you that although I am a tight player that I play very LAG against the proper opponent in the proper spot. This requires good reads on the table, good patience and good understanding of having the proper odds to play.
Typically a loose aggressive player is trying to steal a lot of pots and being aggressive post flop. This can be very effective and a number of our members can do this effectively for profit.
"While TAG players enter pots for showdown equity purposes, LAG players rely heavily on an often overlooked value… fold equity. After all, anyone who raises in position with rags is not doing so due to hand strength, but rather to (a) pick up the blinds, (b) hit a monster hand and stack off, or (c) outplay an opponent post-flop and make him/her to fold the best hand." author is David Huber
I would suggest to you that what anyone that has no profits should focus on is developing a winning TAG style first and foremost and then in time open up your game to the LAG style.
In summary if you are not winning at poker you need to ask yourself why! Let's start winning first then develop a looser style!


Last edited by 19honu62; Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 09:56 AM.. Reason: forgot to give credit to the author
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:04 AM
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Hello holdemace,

our hand analyzers analyze your hands in a way to maximize your profits. They will mention when a preflop play is probably non profitable but will analyse the hand anyway (...as played...).

Please do not follow Cowboys tips in his post above as he is not describing a loose-aggressive but a loose-passive playing style which is most likely not profitable at all. A LAG style is really difficult to play and demands great postflop skills. When starting out you should start playing very nitty (tight) and later on loosen up your game.

Regards,
Christopher


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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:23 AM
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Hi guys I play all styles depending on what the table dynamics are. Thanks for the replies. What I was saying from the LAG view I see hands different than when I analise from a TAG view.
So what I am saying would be nice to see both views in analysis, so we get both perspectives,
example if im playing tag I look at mid pairs in a different way to when im playing LAG?.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:12 AM
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Actually you should always try to play the most profitable way and that can be a tight approach in some spots and a lag approach in others. I would simply try to free your mind from terms like "lag" or "tag" and try to play the best profitable poker.

Example:
You're flatcalling an UTG Raise on the Button with JJ. Your tight oponent contibets a 8d7d6s Flop and you turn your Jacks into a bluff and check/raise the Flop an barrel the Turn 5d. Your oponent folds. Is this now TAG or LAG?! Who cares! In the end its probably the best play against this oponent with his tendencies in this special spot.

Regards


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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Thanks Christopher makes good sense.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 19honu62 View Post
Hey Holdem, my question to you is why do you want them analysed from this perspective? Is it your style? I would say to you that although I am a tight player that I play very LAG against the proper opponent in the proper spot. This requires good reads on the table, good patience and good understanding of having the proper odds to play.
Typically a loose aggressive player is trying to steal a lot of pots and being aggressive post flop. This can be very effective and a number of our members can do this effectively for profit.
"While TAG players enter pots for showdown equity purposes, LAG players rely heavily on an often overlooked value… fold equity. After all, anyone who raises in position with rags is not doing so due to hand strength, but rather to (a) pick up the blinds, (b) hit a monster hand and stack off, or (c) outplay an opponent post-flop and make him/her to fold the best hand." author is David Huber
I would suggest to you that what anyone that has no profits should focus on is developing a winning TAG style first and foremost and then in time open up your game to the LAG style.
In summary if you are not winning at poker you need to ask yourself why! Let's start winning first then develop a looser style!

Very sketchy turtle. When I first read this post earlier this morning, you described a LAG as someone who limps into a lot of pots hoping to hit.

Gefallener called you out on it in the post below.

You came back later and edited it to correctly describe a LAG and added the Huber quote.

Nothing wrong with correcting your error, but you could at least acknowledge it.


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Originally Posted by PSOGefallener View Post
Hello holdemace,

our hand analyzers analyze your hands in a way to maximize your profits. They will mention when a preflop play is probably non profitable but will analyse the hand anyway (...as played...).

Please do not follow Cowboys tips in his post above as he is not describing a loose-aggressive but a loose-passive playing style which is most likely not profitable at all. A LAG style is really difficult to play and demands great postflop skills. When starting out you should start playing very nitty (tight) and later on loosen up your game.

Regards,
Christopher
Note to Gefallener: When referring to someone's post, you might want to quote it in your own post, so the context of your response can be related to the original post. And not some post-edited version that might cause your comments to appear foolish.

IMHO.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:25 PM
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You are correct annie I should have explained in more detail what a LAG player is and acknowledged the change. My bad.
Christopher should have added the definition but he didn't and so I edited mine to reflect this for clarification and it was not my intent to make him look foolish. Sorry Christopher if you took it that way!

 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:08 PM
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